There's an extremely big difference in context with the argument for us vs your argument wrt to causing a mislynch.

In our case, especially for me, I was trying to lynch myself. Arrgh, rightly, could have jumped onto CL with Tevish thereby assuring a culted KoD survived even if another vote was thrown onto him.

You, though? You had nothing at stake in that possible lynch yesterday. By my own word, for nailing you as Krampus, it's not like I am your cultist (and that's assuming the whole cult thing is even true which I doubt). You, as Krampus, have no motivation to save me in that situation. Nor do you have any motivation to condemn me either because, at the time, you wouldn't know which sanity I am (let alone that I would investigate you -- I did say I would investigate myself a third time, but that didn't turn out to be the case).




Essentially, Zinger, you're comparing apples to oranges.

Argh asked why he didn't force a hypothetical mislynch yesterday.

I was the most opportune person to force one, as the last poster of the day.

How is that apples and oranges?

I could have lynched you or CL easy.

I already said there is no motivation to do so. You don't have a stake in those lynches as Krampus. After all, being the singular vote that causes a lynch would pull that spotlight that I just love from me onto you, would it not?

You're must safer sitting back and letting any lynch that does happen happen without your hand being involved.

That's different for Arrgh and myself where the motivation exists to either self preserve or save their cultist.

Yes, but if you are lying krampus, causing a mislynch there could have lost you the game today. If I was Krazy Kult Krampus and already had a cultist, lynching someone would have given me a guaranteed 2/2 split today, with a good shot at just outright winning during the night. Not the same scenario at all.

So your argument is that I thought myself capable of pulling off this crazy Kult gambit, but not capable of coming up with some B.S. justification for lynching CL or KoD? That's your argument? Really?

You're the one that hates lying.

I think we're in a situation where Zinger has maybe compromised Tevish if the cult is a thing. I cant explain otherwise Tevish's lack of analysis wrt to the current gamestate (mainly how he either missed or skipped a simple situation where I am Sane).


At this point either CL gets in here to play kingmaker, or we stalemate into another night and, possibly, a loss.

Tevish


You know why I made that comment? Because you never got around to this scenario until you convinced yourself to be diligent in pursuing other possible avenues. And even then, as you can see with the bold, you still consider the cultist angle despite a Zinger Krampus and despite a sane KoD who can't be a cultist (the assumption you've been following based on Zinger's claims would hold that Sane can't be culted) and were you even considering a cultist Arrgh, the same would apply there that he can't be a cultist if he's Insane (though he could be if he's Paranoid, but that's moot as a Sane KoD pinpoints a Zinger Krampus despite an obvious ability being used on KoD to flip a result).

In other words, you are not being diligent. And that's a tad telling to me in some ways. You're either compromised, or you're not that diligent.

Wtf

Im catching up hold on

Or you could post your result for us.

Classic.

Result was nice on tevish

Welcome to the party, Cap.

One of KoD and/or Argh is Krampus, and the other has been culted by the first into Krampus' Krazy Kult.

I'm Insane, Tevish is Paranoid, and you are Sane.

This game is basically solved, despite KoD and Argh's wild attempts to make it look unsolved.

I'm reminded how most of the game when there's been a glaring contradiction in results, KoD would say something like "If X is Krampus, then by definition I am not so you must accept my results as truthful," which we now know isn't true at all because of the Kult.

The one thing Zinger is right about is that the game is solved.

Zinger is lying Krampus, CL is Naive, Tevish is Paranoid, I'm Insane and KoD's Sane. Krampus caused all investigations on KoD to return reverse results yesterday. This scenario doesn't fundamentally change the game we are playing, and only requires one person to be lying.

Zinger's scenario requires both KoD and myself to be lying, drawing a ton of attention to the fact that we were lying by giving the only results which break the system, and then wasting a perfect opportunity to get you lynched for free despite the fact that doing so would mean creating a 2/2 scum/town split, presumably winning us the game. Or not, since Zinger's story is centered around the idea that both he and Tevish would be immune to the cult. But who knows, because no part of Zinger's story makes a whole lot of sense.

Because of D1 results, it must be Aaarrrgh and not KoD in the Krampus chair. We generally assume the first round of results wasn't tampered, which would mean KoD could have been Krampus only if I was sane and I'm paranoid.

CL is still likely to be Naive here as opposed to Sane.

That is said because, again, a cult of Arrgh and and KoD doesn't make sense given the context of me trying to lynch myself while Tevish opts to go for CL.

As Arrgh said, there's no reason he wouldn't go for securing CL's death as that puts the game into a 2v2 state that can be won at night or stalled the next day to allow for another cutting.



@CL:

At this point there are two arguments going. Zinger contends that either Arrgh or myself is Krampus while the other is part of a Krampus cult. He explains the results as such by him having to be Insane, you as Sane, me as Naive (that was culted), and Tevish as Paranoid leaving Arrgh as Krampus.

I and Arrgh have pushed back on that notion and have pushed the scenario that Zinger is Krsmpus. This is because the results so far can be explained via Tevish or Arrgh being Insane or Paranoid, you as Naive, and myself as Sane. It explains the results including the switches that occurred and is not as complicated with assumptions like Zinger's explanation (we don't have to assume a cult like he does to explain everything).

Plus, the context regarding me trying to lynch myself isn't as readily explainable as cult (like Zinger believes) vs me as town. Especially since Tevish opted to lynch you, and no one went for you.


For these reasons, I urge you to join Arrgh and I in voting Zinger.

So far I believe three of us have voted. I have voted Zinger. Arrgh has voted Zinger. And Zinger voted Arrgh. I thought Tevish voted, but I keep thinking he voted you (CL), yet I haven't checked yet.

Ok Tevish has voted and it was for Arrgh.
So currently the votes are two for Arrgh and two for Zinger.

So that this point CL you can break the tie in fa or of either, or you can skip and cause a no lynch to occur due to the tie.

So, any questions for any of us?