now can we banned ghost quarter and channex?

Trying to figure out me vs CJ.

Me: Chancellor of the Annex, Ghost Quarter, Aether Vial, Calciform Pools
CJ: Chancellor of the Annex, Ghost Quarter, Inkmoth Nexus, Inkmoth Nexus

I think it doesn't matter who plays first, as long as I play my Calciform Pools before my Ghost Quarter.

- If he plays Ghost Quarter and sacs it to wipe out my Calciform Pools before I play my own GQ, I can never cast anything but I'll be able to Quarter one of his Inkmoths and the other one would never be able to hit me, 1-1.
- If he does anything else that allows me to play GQ alongside my Pools, I'll be able to push out my Aether Vial on T2 through the Channex tax. The Vial will let me drop my Chancellor in time to be able to block an Inkmoth before it kills me... but I won't be able to swing because I'd lose the race to poison before I'd win the race by damage. So also 1-1.

So I see this as 2-2, but I feel I might be overlooking something.

I came to the same conclusion.

I view Shelldock without Lion's Eye Diamond as a slow and fragile enough threat to be disregarded, but I could see it eventually becoming a problem ... I'm OK with the pre-emptive ban, but (now that it's banned and so this discussion won't spoil anyone's tech) I would like to know if I'm misreading its threat level.

Without the lovely two-in-one of mana source and discard engine in Lion's Eye Diamond, 4cm Modern Shelldock is, what, Shelldock Isle, Multicolor mana-land of choice, Eldrazi or other shuffle-from-grave-to-library fatty of choice, Discard-engine 1-drop permanent of choice? Meaning T1 mana-land and 1-drop, T2 pitch Eldrazi after draw step then Shelldock it, T3 cast Eldrazi? So even on the play, it's weak to removal, discard, land destruction, graveyard-hate.

Or is there a faster / more resilient version of the deck in 4CM modern I'm not foreseeing?

I suppose one could switch the discard permanent to a discard spell like Funeral Charm or One with Nothing, but that's still pretty fragile.

It's moreso that last round made clear that this shouldn't just be a limited form of Vintage 3CM. The Shelldock deck is a known commodity, and as you just showed, it doesn't take a lot to make it work. Watery Grave + Necrogen Spellbomb gets there readily without risking much in the process. We can come back to it later if the format seems like it can deal with it.

this applies here too:


in fact it applies more here, since most people never even had a chance to find out this exists, conveniently disproving JaC's "3cm always starts out with huge activity, then dies out" theory, as this got a whole 7 people in its debut. good experiment, Rush.

Wednesday's deadline approaches, and we've only gotten one submission other than my own. The time for 4CM Modern may not be ripe. I'll run it as long as there is interest.

I was/am planning to submit something tomorrow (Canadian thanksgiving weekend kept my mind on other things for the most part), but the numbers aren't promising.

if only there was a forum somewhere full of people who enjoy Magic.

3 submissions other than mine. 3 ideas if no one else submits in the next two hours: (a) postpone the round a few more days, (b) allow everyone to submit a second deck with the requirement that no cards may be duplicated from the first deck, or (c) just go as planned and it'll feel like THE FINAL FOUR TOURNAMENT OF CHAMPIONS.

Ya, sure, why not.

Round 2 Spreadsheet

You misspelled Thopter Foundry in my decklist. I'm offended.

Edit: I wanted to make a Hypergenesis deck, but I forgot that Changle was a thing.

So, new idea: I'm gonna restart 4CM Modern, but run it across three forums: MTGS, WOTC, and NGA. How 'bout them apples?

EDIT: I just made a new thread for it so we could restart fresh, so no need to post here ever again.

you can't tell me what to do