KoD - he clearly was making a joke about the mute - could you really imagine a game where someone couldn't talk - and you were trying to make it seem scummy.
First off, do you know what fishing is?
Second, if you think I was only making a joke, doesn't that make me a liar right now?
I ran out before a third, sadly.
Honestly - I'm not that sure what to think right now. Meta discussions, jokes. With just 1 person, I'd think it's easier to hide even while staying active. I have no plans on being inactive this game. As you can see from my game history, I'm not that active on weekends, ever.
Don't try to be committed to what you signed up for or anything.
It's D1, and there's one scum. Reasons are flimsy, especially to start. I find it funny that you were focusing on me, while others have votes flying around without any reasons. Feels a bit like a tunnel to me.
I'd like to see this tunnel you are referring to. It's not like KoD is ignoring other things going on around him to hunt you down.
It's easy to hide by lurking, but it's also easy to hide by starting arguments.
So very, very true. The best place to hide is close to the spotlight.
Sidenote: I've just gotten back in town. I've been having to post off of my phone for the past couple days. I should be able to quote posts more appropriately now that I can use a mouse and keyboard again.
I will personally say thanks for all your hard work. Thank you, Rubik, for being the active player.
I'm glad you asked Rubik, but first...
Of course there will be misunderstandings. Of course there will be mistakes. Are you using this as a reason to not act? Please, spare me. What matters is taking action. Taking no action because there may be a misunderstanding is a petty excuse.
Now, as for your tone.
Speaking of tone, I could practically hear KoD berating down from on high.
Established here are your views. You would prefer to scare lurkers into activity rather than kill them, and your view is that this should be done early and not delayed. You'd already prefer to deal with active scum rather than lurky scum.
I can't imagine preferring to deal with scum who lurk, but maybe that's just me.
And this is perfect because what do you do immediately thereafter? You jump behind Lilan for lynching Zinger and agree that he is the ideal lynch. All this despite the fact that he was your joke vote in the first place, but turned into a good person to lynch because lurker right? course, let's not forget that Zinger actually came in and contributed something despite how little it was. And, by your words, there were two others that were deadweight. What about Tiny? Of the three, he's contributed far less in quite a literal sense. Oh right, for some reason Zinger has your attention possibly because you're able to get behind other players who have decided to jump on his wagon, making him a safe one to go after.
This is what I mean about your tone. You contradict your own views because it benefits you.
I am having trouble following all that, though I would tend to agree Zinger, as of this post I am responding to anyway, was lurking. He may promise more in the future, but the future is uncertain. Contributions can also be seen differently, so I am not overly bothered over the vote on Zinger instead of another. I wouldn't personally pick him for the lurker vote, but he isn't a bad choice.
And just for emphasis:
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I'm not at all abandoning playing the game and I'm not suggesting that everyone just put their vote on lurkers and sit there. I do, however, think it's important that a few players keep voting pressure on lurkers to encourage them to post.
Zinger, NeoSilk, and SeTiny are all complete deadweight right now. I'd like them to read the thread and give their input on something relevant to the game or I'd like them to replace out for someone who will. There are slightly less lurky players who I'd also like to see more from, but none so bad as these first few.
If you think it's better to ignore the fact that players are lurking until just before the deadline and then kill them instead of giving them a chance to improve, that's your prerogative. It's not my fault that your strategy is bad.
Right. Keep pressure on them to get them to post. Yet even when they don't contribute as much as you seem to want, you'll want to kill them anyway. Quite the contradictory person you are.
That one is a bit shifty looking, though.
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Oh look. Ironically Neo has come back and posted now as opposed to later. And all because I focused on him. Funny how that works. I'm definitely happy with my vote on him.
It could just as easily be because I said that I planned to vote for him if he didn't end up posting content. Or because he intended to do so in the first place. But no, it's got to be you and you alone.
Clearly, he posted so I could spam you all with my thoughts after getting a slight backlog built after Lilan showed me the MMO Blob Game.
I don't know why either of you think you had anything to do with it.
Tiny has placed a vote too.
Zinger's vote on freddeh was certianly a joke vote referring to the rivalry the two have. Freddeh-scum is zinger's nickname for freddeh.
Zinger's post does not have any more content than most of tiny's, it just arrived later than scheduled.
Not everyone is aware of inside jokes, like me, so it appeared as if Zinger was casting a vote. Until he responds either way, I will assume it was serious.
I'm scum cause I didn't post. Now I'm scum since I did?
Makes sense.
I personally think you are scum because you dye your fur blue.
In Niklor's first response to KoD's accusation of he admits to fishing:
He purposely tried fishing for role information with this post by playing dumb and looking for a reaction that would give him an idea as to the kind of role I might have.
[...edited out..] If I could get the ball rolling with a little casual fishing, why not?
Anyone else have some thoughts on my fishing? (As I type this, I see response. How pleasing.)
I've also seen a few posts saying that all the role-information has been given, and Niklor couldn't be fishing for information because of the second post. This was in the setup thread:
This game will feature a partial open set up. This means that all possible roles will be listed as part of the OP, but certain key features may be held private if the integrity of the game calls for it.
Emphasis mine. While I doubt a miming ability was part of ths game, 15377 said before the game even started that there could be some stuff left out. So Niklor could have, and admitted to fishing.
I could have been fishing even if the roles were entirely disclosed. Whether or not the setup is fully known doesn't prevent fishing for other's roles. In some respects, it would encourage it, especially if the one fishing is scum. I don't see why you only believe it was fishing if you believe some roles might be fully disclosed.
I'm all for discussion, but, can someone honestly say that they believed that numbers would have a power role in this game that couldn't talk? Especially after scum lurked their way to victory last game?
I can't see that role being part of this game, but not because of previous games.
I'm shocked that no one jumped on me for my suggestion that we might no lynch on D2. I was kind of throwing that out there to see who would react. I think it's pretty clear that we need to have a lynch today, especially since it could win the game. I am open to the idea of a no-lynch on D2, depending on what type of info we get on N1, especially if it looks like it might give another day. Remember, we do have 3 town power roles, which will hopefully provide us with some actual information over the next few days.
No lynch is not usually useful. Plus, considering the odds of someone converting to scum overnight and then potentially acting strangely in accordance to previous beliefs, a no lynch D-2 seems like a terrible idea.
Personally, I like throwing out some questions here. Let's start with the guardsman - if that was you, who would you watch today, and why?
I'd watch Lilan - the copy/vote thing that she's doing seems odd - I can't believe it's a wolf move, since it seems way too suspicious, but it just seems...odd.
Lilan seems to be acting like Lilan, which isn't particularly helpful
Unless I have a strong inkling, I usually act with investigative roles somewhat randomly. Looking at the list, I'd probably choose to watch Lilan, because a part of me associates trying to not be right in the spotlight, but part of the discussion as either a scum or power role move. Which an investigation would likely turn up.
Personally, I like throwing out some questions here. Let's start with the guardsman - if that was you, who would you watch today, and why?
This seems like a good way to give the wolf information going into night 1. <insert fishing smiley>
This seems like a good way to give the wolf useless information going into night 1.
Ah, that's what the difference was.
I would have pointed out the fishing, but last game someone asked a similar question and they were town (I believe it was Ambar). Only difference though is that his question was in regards to who you would kill if you were mafia. Neo's question is about a town power role, and it certainly qualifies as fishing if only to avoid targeting likely Guardsman targets.
Obviously part of the Guardsman role could not be disclosed, but since he apparently checks if people used an ability during the night, I don't see why the wolf would need to avoid any target based on the likely Guardsman target.
Given the actual Guardsman, who might be me for all you know, could easily lie about who he wants to go for, I don't see much harm in putting this mostly useless information up front. If the wolf, who also might be me for all you know, wants to dance around trying to outwit our clever discussions about nothing, let him.
Last game, asking that, I was trying to look for patterns across people I suspected as scum. For this one, there's only 1 scum now, so there's really no pattern. Really just trying to start a discussion on who's looking at who.
While you can't try to look for scum interacting with scum, you can certainly try to look for players trying to buddy up with another player. Town has no real reason to do this, but the wolf certainly does.
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