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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:46 pm 
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Rubik (1) - Funnier
Exlight (2) - KoD, KoD
Not Voting (8) - Rubik, PK, Tevish, Freddeh, Aaarrrgh, JD, Minish, Exlight


CS Vote Count
KoD (2) - KoD, Minish
Freddeh (1) - Exlight
Not Voting (7) - Rubik, PK, Tevish, Freddeh, Aaarrrgh, JD

These counts should be accurate but let me know if they aren't

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:13 pm 
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PK has been replaced by Naga. They are not allowed to talk about any information they had as a result of their last role.

sorry to the people who would have preferred a modkill, but i made the call that this would ultimately be healthier for the game

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:20 pm 
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Welcome Naga 2.0.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:20 pm 
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Scum would still find a way to get rid of KoD because they usually have something to avoid investigative roles or to block roles. Yes, this game has weird roles, but I really doubt they'd nerf mafia to the point of making it impossible for them to take down a town investigative role. And scum would take down an investigative role even if that meant another scum dead because it's way more risky to leave someone who can bust the entire team alive.


It's quite possible, but they have to trade off to do it. Given SMS's role it actually would have been easy if he was still alive, since the lynch on him would have failed even if he was outted scum. Likely it's the reason there was a hard to kill scum member in the first place. Scum just got unlucky in that he was taken out first.

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If he really were town he would be sharing his info to us so we the entire town could discuss it instead of risking to die with it. The fact he's omitting it is proof that he's either making info up or that he's aware it will backfire by exposing the real scum.

What was this "one lie", JD?


If information overload was always good for town every game would just start with a mass claim. It doesn't because it's not. As town players make conscious decisions as to what benefits the town to be revealed and when to reveal it. This blind info dump you keep suggesting obviously isn't in town's best interest. Say we revealed in the initial claim what information we used to peg SMS. Any scum that claimed subsequent to that point would then be acutely aware of what to be mindful of when claiming. As things are now, they are not so it makes it harder for them to fake claim since they don't know what information we will be coming at them with. Given there's only a few slots left to claim it doesn't make sense to give them an out by revealing this info before they claim.

The one lie is Rag's own words. You were trying to point out that this was a Bastard game so it included mod lies. I pointed out that Rag said in the OP there was only one mod lie, everything else was just misleads.

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Minish, please, why are you CS voting him? Are you aware that scum could've easily fake claimed an investigative role and bussed SMS to get town pants? KoD's role wasn't confirmed by Zinger like the others, he just shared what JD told him, which is basically what KoD told him.


Zinger sat on that information for quite some time and threw it out to actually put KoD into a bind. But I like how you're trying to insinuate that Zinger and KoD are working together here now.

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JD already said that you not voting SMS could be explained by you just not being around at the time. What matters is that you came outta nowhere with ultra convenient "info that suggested SMS could be scum" and that's all you have to do to effectvelly bus him and get town pants, you don't have to be in the final wagon, just to be one of the main reasons for it to happen in the first place


As mentioned above, Zinger is the one that outted KoD as investigative and I was the one that explained the SMS information connection. Literally the entire failed lynch on SMS happened before my post though (as in no new votes were added before Rag put up the majority lynch post), so you can't say KoD used it as a crutch to bus SMS because it wasn't known information at the time and was only revealed because Zinger threw it out there.

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and I'm not trying to ask for minish's consent on anything, I'm asking her why is she still townreading you blindly despite me just making a post poiting out your BS that she seems to have ignored since she didn't seem to discuss it in any way

I'm not voting you rn because I'd rather make sure everyone is on tha same page before we do that. Unfortunately town doesn't even seem to be trying, and that will prolly result in my mislynch again. you're picking on me because you know I'm an easier lynch due to town being less sympathetic towards me due to me being a survivor and that's low af


Honestly Minish probably sees you flailing again like I do. I'm assuming you probably get lynched a lot because you don't seem to handle even a little pressure well. KoD is literally the only person voting for you right now and yet you're acting like the world is bearing down on you again. Your entire case on KoD is basically one big ball of OMGUS with you jumping from contradictory point to misinformed conclusion just to make him look scummy so you don't get lynched. Your story is your 3p survivor now so I get it. You have a vested interest in living now. You also say you're working with the town but from where I'm sitting it looks to me like you're trying to throw them under the bus to save your own skin.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:29 pm 
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I can prove he's not town tonight, and he knows it. That's why he's been trying to lynch me.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:31 pm 
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It's not OMGUS, it's what I found when I was rereading D2, I was ISOimg stuff even before he even voted me, and I'm not going to fall into a false sense of security just because it seems like he's the only one voting me. As I said, after HW's lynch I'm sure he can influence the votes way more than it appears, and that's a risk I don't want to take.


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The contrast between you right now and you on D1 is glaring.

And no, I'm sure I explicitly explained why I'm preferring your lynch since all I know is that you've claimed HW said you are self despite his words to the contrary (that is, he never said that).

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:57 pm 
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Final CS Vote Count
KoD (2) - KoD, Minish
Freddeh (1) - Exlight
Not Voting (7) - Rubik, Naga, Tevish, Freddeh, Aaarrrgh, JD

This count should be accurate but let me know if it isn't

Aaarrrgh has until night to let me know if they'd like to date KoD or Freddeh

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:01 am 
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It's not OMGUS, it's what I found when I was rereading D2, I was ISOimg stuff even before he even voted me, and I'm not going to fall into a false sense of security just because it seems like he's the only one voting me. As I said, after HW's lynch I'm sure he can influence the votes way more than it appears, and that's a risk I don't want to take.


If it wasn't OMGUS you'd have your facts straight. Instead you're trying to shoe horn things into your narrative and then simply abandon notions when they don't pan out, like the Naga 1 kill that turned out to be funnier that you never bothered to redress.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:26 am 
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It's not OMGUS, it's what I found when I was rereading D2, I was ISOimg stuff even before he even voted me, and I'm not going to fall into a false sense of security just because it seems like he's the only one voting me. As I said, after HW's lynch I'm sure he can influence the votes way more than it appears, and that's a risk I don't want to take.


If it wasn't OMGUS you'd have your facts straight. Instead you're trying to shoe horn things into your narrative and then simply abandon notions when they don't pan out, like the Naga 1 kill that turned out to be funnier that you never bothered to redress.
What we know is that naga died. I don't know if funnie and KoD are scum together, but it's a possibility. It's not impossible that scum also targeted naga to guarantee a kill in case funnier failed too, which would also explain the lack of another kill. I don't have to readdress anything because the fact is that Naga died and he antagonized KoD.


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The contrast between you right now and you on D1 is glaring.

And no, I'm sure I explicitly explained why I'm preferring your lynch since all I know is that you've claimed HW said you are self despite his words to the contrary (that is, he never said that).

I never said he said such thing and you're once again putting words in my mouth


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The contrast between you right now and you on D1 is glaring.

And no, I'm sure I explicitly explained why I'm preferring your lynch since all I know is that you've claimed HW said you are self despite his words to the contrary (that is, he never said that).

Explain how? IMO He's got the same tunnel vision focus, extreme (even for a mafia game) paranoia, and tendency to go deep rather than broad I saw in d1.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:59 am 
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What do you mean Naga antagonized me? The last interaction he had with me was when he was explaining how he felt about you flipping town D1 after I drove the lynch on you. Apart from the exchange, in which others commented, Naga never really engaged me after that. Indeed, when he came back it wasn't to "antagonize" me.

And that's quite a reach you're making to blame Naga's death on me despite Funnier doing it. But hey, you're only a survivor, right?

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I also haven't been able to play this as much as I wanted, and to be fair I don't even have the same will after the D1 fiasco. Now that HW told everyone I'm a Survivor I just can't wait to get for another wagon to form around me, hooray.


You're so frazzled that I've caught you that you can't even keep your story straight.

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The contrast between you right now and you on D1 is glaring.

And no, I'm sure I explicitly explained why I'm preferring your lynch since all I know is that you've claimed HW said you are self despite his words to the contrary (that is, he never said that).

Explain how? IMO He's got the same tunnel vision focus, extreme (even for a mafia game) paranoia, and tendency to go deep rather than broad I saw in d1.


His D1 reaction is vastly different.

I believe the best way to describe him, then, was as imploding town. He's not imploding here (that is, making a LOT of posts and being defeatist/throwing votes at anything to even remotely keep himself hopeful of not getting lynched himself).

Here, he's more focused on obtaining approval (or gauging people's interest) in someone before committing himself to it (look at his reads before I voted him and how he mentioned having odd feelings on Minish, while town reading the rest of the people he didn't mention -- of which I was one). Then, after my vote on him, you can see him changing his tune, but without the full on attitude he had D1.

You can see his progression up until the end of D1, and the tone/structure of his posts =/= what we're seeing with him here.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:38 am 
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It’s 3:30Am and Im **** drunk and at my buddy’s party
give me a **** break I just dont have time to defend myself and I even mentioned that intread


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andi had a **** of college stuff and I couldnt play I’m not gonna damage my personal life for your sadistic and prepotent pleasure so just shut up mkay


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I don't like this day at all. O think both Ex and KoD are completely wrong in focusing each other so much, but there has also been nothing else to focus on today.

I'm on phone, so can't go back and easily find stuff, so this may have already been addressed, but why are we giving funnier a free pass right now? Just because he I'll
killed the person he said he would kill doesn't make him town, and he seems far scummier than either Ex or KoD.

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Funnier has already claimed being yellow town, and, apparently, he has an IC ability that he can use with some kind of drawback.

As for Ex or Funnier, Ex has already tried to say HW said he was survivor, and that's factually wrong since HW said he didn't know Ex's alignment once brought back.

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I don't like this day at all. O think both Ex and KoD are completely wrong in focusing each other so much, but there has also been nothing else to focus on today.

I'm on phone, so can't go back and easily find stuff, so this may have already been addressed, but why are we giving funnier a free pass right now? Just because he I'll
killed the person he said he would kill doesn't make him town, and he seems far scummier than either Ex or KoD.
that doof has a super strict lying policy like zinger and he doesn’t even lie about alignment son if he said he Town and only one shot i kinda beleive that with s grain of salt
and we kinda have him pinned down becausr if hr moves again during the night we bust himm we dont even kniw if its an hostile factin and id rather junt scum first and deal with hin later especially because scum not killing n2 could be an attempt to frame him
and i cant lync Town to get mana i need something like mafia or neither t/Town


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I don't like this day at all. O think both Ex and KoD are completely wrong in focusing each other so much, but there has also been nothing else to focus on today.

I'm on phone, so can't go back and easily find stuff, so this may have already been addressed, but why are we giving funnier a free pass right now? Just because he I'll
killed the person he said he would kill doesn't make him town, and he seems far scummier than either Ex or KoD.

Funnier is claimed yellow town, which I currently have no reason to disbelieve. While I was able to call funnier, specifically, for having a wincon that's NOT the green town wincon (since in d2 he stated his wincon in his PM with I challenged with the fact that my green town PM contained no wincon), according to Ex the yellow team doesn't count as scum either, at least not enough to give him extra mana to defeat Zinger. Until SMS went and flipped true Mafia I was interested in pursuing the Yellow Town as a scum group, but right now I think it would be more profitable to search for Mafia. As I went over SMS's posts a while back, SMS doesn't give us a ton of interactions. That said, the existence of Yellow Town is still quite vexing.

I would like to remind everyone that, this day and this day only, I have the ability to pile a grand total of 3 votes on somebody and I intend to use it. I've been a little scarce, because I didn't want to make my leanings too obvious (Mafia would almost certainly try to feed that). However since that strategy hasn't gotten a lot of people to plead their cases like I hoped it would, I'll be forthright. My top marks for today are presently, in no particular order

- KoD, over JD to resolve the nature of that interaction
- funnier, to hopefully disambiguate something about Yellow town
- Rubik, because I have really not been liking the way he's played the game thusfar (super lurky)
- Naga II, because late-game replacements are painfully impossible to read and PK was a sadly inactive null-read before. I know the circumstances were real but it would be all too easy for scum in that role to coast.

If we can see a mass claim, I think that would be for the best at this stage in this game, because the setup is so mind-boggling when glimpsing only a part of it..

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