i believe he's claimed some unknown price to using it

I don't know what the deal is with yellow town other than it has to be a 3p or something. We've already seen a maf flip so unless there is another relevant faction competing, I'd wager we're mainly dealing with maf while having other alignments (yellow town with whatever agenda and then the survivor/others (like Arrgh)) that are doing their own thing.

How that plays with the numbers is beyond me, but I'm definitely sure we're looking for another mafiate (this in connection to the conversation result I got that nailed SMS as scum to me). This is why I'd rather resolve people that have some kind of relevant interaction with SMS (like HW).

@Fred:

Funnier has been ignoring me, it seems, regarding a question I asked him concerning his vote on Naga (the same person SMS decided to vote) and then deciding to follow through on shooting him as opposed to shooting someone else (again, like HW).

And yeah, last game I was able to rez a town, strictly, in exchange for a kill. As far as HW goes, it sounds like his exchange deals with alignment if he's to be believed. Rubik had mentioned how there are a lot of elements in this game from the last (and it seems some elements from other roles too -- take Amber's challenge thing, reminds me of Tevish's role last game to thunder dome essentially).

I'm not going to tinfoil over what role could be what alignment. Rather, how each person acts would be a better indication (then maybe factor in their role).

Tevish comes off the towniest as he could have kept how his role worked on the down lo and cut deadlines short multiple times (even in this respect to help definitely avoid his own lynch). Since he's leaving it up for discussion, and the possibility he could get lynched himself, gives me more or of a town vibe from him.

Amber and PK are still going to need to put in input to help place them effectively (and I was hoping PK would come in with inputs today like she said she would, but eh I understand the whole life stuff).

I haven't really had a problem with Rubik. Minish's earlier comments about him "ignoring" (best way to put it off the top of my head) does come off as disingenuous since Rubik has been one to get involved with discussion when it is brought up to him.

Final Votecount
Rubik (1) - Exlight
PK (2) - Funnier, Amber
Tevish (2) - Rubik
Hello World (6.5) - KoD, KoD, Tevish, JD, Freddeh
Amber (2) - Minish, Hello World
KoD (-1) - Amber
Not Voting (2) - PK, Aaarrrgh

Let me know tomorrow or via DM if you think there is an error in this count, but it should be correct.

After a long day of mumbling and awkwardly kicking at the ground, the town sort of awkwardly suggests hello world should be killed. After a round of shrugs, they go to do Hello World in. He doesn't resist.

Hello World has been lynched. He was Escapularc, the town aligned Mad Ressurectionist



It is now Night 4

Deadline for night is Wednesday October 23rd at 12:00 PM (Noon)

Rise and Shine. You're all excited to greet a brand new day, but unfortunately you end up greeting the same day instead.

It is now Day 3. Again.

On the bright and/or not so bright side, there was another death last night. Amber was found dead this morning. After a very brief funeral (like 2 or 3 minutes) you get back to business.

Amber is dead, she was The town aligned Gallant Knight



Today it takes 7 votes to be lynched via majority.

The deadline for the lynch is Monday, October 28th, at 12:00 PM EDT (noon)

Living Players
1. Rubik
2. PK
3. Tevish
4. Freddeh
5. Aaarrggh
6. KoD
7. JD
8. Minish
9. Funnier
10. Exlight
The deadline for the crystal skeleton contest is Sunday, October 27th, at 12:00PM EDT (noon). Also, Tevish is no longer eligible as a vote for the crystal skeleton contest.

This votecount had an error. Tevish should have been listed as having only 1 vote, and not 2. Everything else should be correct.

Whoever did that I love you.
1 mana boiz, 6 to go

Anyone want to claim the kill? Seeing as Amber had been under suspicion, she seems like an odd choice for a mafia hit. But if she isn't, then we haven't had a single scum night kill yet. So either way, I'm confused.

oh, btw, I saw Rubik last night, does that happen everynight? Or twas just me cuz I hadn't seen him before?

Her role made her somewhat hard to lynch, so I wouldn't be surprised if scum went after her.

I'm a little confused as why she claimed yesterday when she had no real risk of getting lynched since she could just manipulate the votes with her votes.

Talking about votes, I have some question about them:
Rubik, can you still triple vote?
Since when can you double vote, KoD?
Why was HW's wagon with 6.5 votes?

I also saw Rubik again. Not sure what's up with that.

? what do you mean?

Aaarrrgh targeted KoD with something that gave him the ability to double vote yesterday. I don't know if this is the same effect that lead to Rubik's triple vote or if that was a byproduct of their date. Maybe a bit of both?

I don't know the other answers.

Not the same effect because Rubik couldn't vote the same person with his votes.
Well, I think KoD's votes appeared as +1 in a previous votecount, and by your answer seems like it wasn't you, so I'm assuming it was Freddeh who made the votecount increase? Could be some weird kind of hidden voter too.

Date with Aaarrrgh was lovely. Had the side effects of generating some extra time and giving me the ability to place some "ghost" votes on somebody. One shot, useable today only, and because I've played conservative with my time consumption I can apply a max of 2 extra votes to 1 person. (If I'd been super aggro it could have been as much as 4). Because of this (possessing a total stack of 3 votes), I'm going to hold off voting today when I normally vote early and vote often. I've got my own opinions but other than Rubik's lazymode I'm more confident in my town reads than my scum reads, so please, I implore everyone, share yours.

Also the odds of a 12-hour deadline shrinkage are good today. It's tied in to the vote thing. Tempted to just do it now so that nobody's caught by surprise.

I strongly suspect that EVERY CS date gives the non-CS player the ability to throw extra votes out there in some manner, and that's how it's useful and relevant to everyone. Rubik got his giant triple votes and KoD double-voted, now I can do my thing. So we should be careful to nominate not just folks we think are town but folks we want to be charismatic or charismatic+ for a day. Especially as the game wears on, the potential to get flat extra votes is going to start to verge on kingmaking.

Everyone is supposed to see me every night. If you don't see me any given night, you can ask rag to confirm that you were supposed to have seen me, rag just messes up sending the PMs one at a time sometimes.

I explained D2 exactly how my vote thing worked and the fact that I got it from my date.

I'm personally potentially in favor of a mass claim or a partial mass claim because this game is such a mess and I'd rather have everything on the table.

Hidden voter sounds about right. We currently have ten alive, but majority is set at seven. I didn't pay attention to past days so I'm not sure if this ratio has fluxed or not. But we are looking at 2 extra vote power to skew the majority up that much. I would say Zinger finally recruited somebody but given his statements previously I don't think it's him. Or at least not solely him. Will have to recheck other majority.

Addendum: Day 1s majority was +2 living player base as well. Given Zinger wouldn't have had time to already recruit somebody barring massive mod shenanigans, it doesn't not look to be solely him.

Wasn't me so hidden voter is most accurate.

I'm acting on the assumption that Exlight is yellow Town now due to HWs claimed role. Could be mafia but I think that's less likely.

KoD are you actually mafia this game again? I'm starting to feel like this is possiblity. Tevish just doesn't feel as scummy as he did last game so either he stepped up, I'm playing worse, or I'm missing something. I'm starting to believe less and less that JD is actually a survivor and would like to lynch him sooner rather than later.

Can someone explain to me how HW was lynched? Like other than lynching HW was really dumb, where did six and a half votes come from? Did I miss something? Really don’t understand how HW was lynched over amber and Tevish. Zero idea why or how Amber was shot but that makes things easier.

Anyway if this game is remotely solveable than it’s basically solved

Rubik- he’s big. Probably godfather
PK- “lied” to Zinger about being mafia and posted obtained info for threads enjoyment. Has done literally nothing else (can’t be expected to atm because surgery but ya know what I meant)
Tevish Role seems like the equivalent of Ex’s in a stop or delay Zinger kind of way, something that mafia ought to have, mostly just poe though
Freddeh really super good thoughts whenever he posts, he could be mafia I guess but I would def lynch the people above first
Aaarrggh eligible bachelor. I had a tinfoil that SMS’s flip meant that mafia are skeletons but I’m ignoring it
KoD the cop mason
JD the survivor mason
Minish I know y’all don’t know Minish that well but she’s town. 100% can vouch
Funnier look mom I’m on TV
Exlight revived town

Going by this the mafia team is in Rubik PK and Tevish. Maybe Fred but I’m not going there. Assuming two scum are left we literally can’t lose cause we’ll lynch the lot before parity is reached. This is naturally assuming this game is designed in a way approaching sense. I’d rather die on this hill though.

Vote: Rubik

My focus so far has been trying to find a connection that SMS had with someone that is his partner. I know for a fact, after he made the CL kill, that he had to be mafia, but watching him interact with others hasn't given me a definitive idea as to who his partner is. I was certain that HW, with taking the initial lead against SMS, was his partner and was just positioning himself to look good from having been there first on his lynch (indeed that was such an argument HW made against him being partners with SMS). I'm left with thinking that maybe his partner may not have been quick to bus him (if at all).

Originally, prior to SMS becoming the first lynch on D2, JD and I discussed funnier possibly being his scum buddy due to what seemed like a slip by funnier (coupled with the knowledge that SMS was scum). Then the lynch of SMS removed all the votes, and you had SMS lynched with just three votes (HW, Rubik, and Minish in that order). The proposed plan at the time was to have alternate votes in place for if/when SMS defeated his lynch, and immediately after HW went right back onto HW (throwback to the aggressive bus). So rather than pursuing funnier over what was perceived as a slip (that didn't turn out to be accurate at all since the deadline was extremely short after SMS's lynch) I focused on HW (for the stated perception of how he approached SMS's lynch).

Now, this leads me to Minish for several reasons. First, the connection to SMS that I've been looking for. For context, here are some relevant quotes.



The first quote gave off the impression that was more or less what was planned. Lynch SMS first, then get an alternate ready. Minish had Naga in mind. Course, after SMS's lynch and the following short deadline therein, you had both HW and Rubik quickly jump back onto SMS while Minish had, in another post, asked why SMS again before throwing down as the third vote on him. Perhaps it was an unintentional bus from Minish due to trying to make the most out of a situation that seemed bad (due to the attention SMS had on him and the votes he got back again following his first lynch).

Secondly, this part concerns Naga and Amber. I didn't think anything of it at first, but since Minish had expressed interest in seeing Naga lynched over SMS initially (once SMS was lynched first to test him), I got to thinking. Funnier had two votes on him at that time (Tevish and JD) and Minish *could* have voted Funnier over SMS to keep SMS alive (callback to an earlier post Tevish had made analyzing the situation). However, Naga would still be alive if Minish had pursued that course. I reasonably suspect that Minish decided against saving SMS partly because: of the attention he had garnered with his role, and it would allow Funnier to follow through on shooting Naga over his role. The only reason I can see for this is, perhaps, Minish feared Naga's ability to control votes. Having to deal with that later in the game may have proved an obstacle so trading SMS for Naga's death probably came off as a good trade to her. Now, consider Amber. She was killed at night and we have no idea who did it. Big question is why Amber? Because, like Naga, she could affect votes.

Lastly, though at this point I am not as certain of it as I am with the previous points, we have the ghost votes that are around. Minish had already claimed an ability to place future votes and an ability to delay actions against a target by a day. The date with Arrgh more or less confirmed that Minish had some kind of vote ability (when Arrgh used his ability that he gained from Minish -- themed in a way after her role ability if I'm not mistaken is how Arrgh's dating works) since it gave me an additional vote. I am under the impression that the ghost votes are probably hers as she has, likely, withheld information regarding her role when she claimed. That's the only place I can think of where the extra votes came from on HW yesterday.

Vote: Minish


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@ExLight: I believe, based on what I'm reading, that your question was answered. I gained an extra vote yesterday due to Arrgh targeting me with an ability he gained from dating Minish.

Incidentally, what are your reads on people now that you've been back to get involved? Because I doubt you're going to charge up your ability before D8 (though at the rate the game is going I doubt we'll reach D8 anyway). What do you think about Minish in particular?


@Fred:

No, I'm not mafia this time around, unless my role is the reverse of my role from Spider-Man Mafia 2. Pretty sure Rag's game isn't that bastard.



I do think we're looking for a deep cover wolf I believe is what they called it over in MU. At least I'm reasonably sure that's the case, otherwise my focus would have to be on the more obvious (like PK, but with Amber's death I feel like it isn't that simple). And I was wrong about HW despite how he voted on Tevish only to backtrack and how he approached the voting of SMS. So if it isn't the obvious, it has to be the less obvious.