In short, I'm right about you.

Incorrectly, you write about me.

Correctly, not incorrectly. You even admit to it yourself.

Alt


Changing does equate to flipflop. You're like a waffle in Waffle House.

Fun Fact: You trust Neo to be town, but you don't trust him to judge someone he used his ability on as town.

Flip flop (v): make an abrupt reversal of policy.

I have not made an abrupt reversal of policy.
I have altered my views based on outstanding information.

If I trusted NeoSilk to be town, and then he did something that instantly confirmed him to be mafia, and I said, "Hey guys, lets lynch Neo". That's not flipflopping. That's being smart.
Flipflopping has a derogatory implication inherent in its use. If you are simply saying that changing your mind is flip flopping, sure you 'can' say that, but it's not an entirely correct definition. But that would clear a lot of the hassle you keep putting onto people.

Funer Fact: When did I claim that I trusted Neo to be town.
Funererer: Fact: Why am I now claiming that I distrust Neo.
Funestererer: Fact: Those weren't facts those were questions, that deserve answers, because I'm pretty sure I made my view on you and Neo pretty clear in the dungeon.

Uhh

How many times do I have to say I didn't rez KoD

I've been stupidly honest and no one seems to pay attention

Except for all those times you've shot me and it didn't work lol

They don't flip waffles in waffle house. They use waffle makers.

@PaK, so what you're saying is you rezzed KoD? >_>

@PK: can you tell me what my role does

Flip flop, waffle, portray indecisiveness, etc etc. Point is that is you Alt.

Okay, so then what word would you use to describe your view on me in the short duration of the Dungeon?

Errant.

Alright, so to get back to my previous post:
I mentioned several times in the game that my focus lies on finding mafia. So that's why at this point I'm disregarding PK/JD. Odds are pretty damn high that they are the secret/self after all.

The four remaining:
Silly.
I had a pretty good impression of them in the early stages of the game, but after D3 it kinda went downhill. Though according to their claim it may have been because of the wincon switch.
That said, I do think their current situation is a bit more like the period where they were changed rather than the part where I felt they were town. But if it is just the wincon that was changed, they are not high priority to lynch atm for me. And the wincon for scum was to kill all designer aligned people, so if Rag's role is non-bastard, we can assume Silly not to be mafia.

Rag
There is a lot of uncertainty going around Rag with the vanilla claim turned sorta-cop. I would like for Rag to be lynched/killed before lylo so we can analyze the various data he has supplied us with a possible link to the role name.
If we assume 3 scum, today would be that day. If there are 2 scum, we have more time. If we haven't killed scum yet (some info was not made public after all).

Rubik
I have a tough time dealing with Rubik, but one thing that stood out is that he asked for game name claims, yet hasn't done so yet himself (afaik). That would actually be a pretty suspicious ploy by first getting all the names before claiming one self.
Also, they killed someone at night. They claimed it too, but that's still suspect too of course.

NeoSilk
Rolewise I can see him go either way, but I'm more worried about what his role could do if he'd use it again regardless.
But what if we lynch someone non-Neo, and if they come back town Neo resurrects them? If we have info on their role NOW, we could also compare that to how things work out after the resurrection and work from there.

So between these four, I'd probably go at this point in time for: Vote: Rubik

Now you can use that word to describe my view of you instead of flippyfloppy.
Problem solved, and now we can stop being nitpicky, and move on to the least towniest of folks.

@Jac: I can get behind a rag or rubik lynch, I'd rather rag than rubik, based on information gathering.

@Neo: Obviously, without quoting, can you describe your resurrection ability? As far as I know, you can bring someone back, with a chance of corrupting them. Am I missing anything? Do you know what corrupting means?

And before this gets me into trouble, is it wrong for thinking this:

If we have someone, who can convert people to mafia (potentially), why don't we use this to turn everyone into mafia? There'd be no reason to fight, and everyone can win. And I personally think that that would make a one heck of a victory. Like, that would be a fun story, IMO, to share at other mafia gatherings.

Just saying, leave the self and secret as they can still win outside that (presumably), but why not just try and convert everyone to mafia, and have everyone win?

No, I wouldn't use that word to describe your views.

You clearly had a lack of progression going into the dungeon, and, as I've showcased with the quotes, you clearly waffle about with your view of me being town/mafia/whatever.

My only mistake was taking you into dungeon where you pulled a backstab on me. Case in point: You would rather trust Silly over me and so Silly ended up winning.

Definitely no flipflopping here. Complete 'errant'ness.

@Case in point: Silly protected me every night. That's why Silly won. IIRC, Silly needed to die protecting somebody, if you didn't NK me, Silly wouldn't have won. You chose to distrust me, and because of that Silly won.

Context matters. Taking you into the dungeon I had no reason to suspect you.

Once we were in you all of a sudden think Silly is more trustworthy, and that I shouldn't be allowed to win because, and refer back to one of the quotes, "you and Silly were so disruptive that it made me suspect you," in a nutshell. This despite trusting Neo to be town at the time.

Course once we leave the dungeon you go right back to thinking, "best to kill KoD so we only lose one townie instead of two." The implication being that you, all of a sudden, think I am town. But wait, it gets better. Neo fully gives the info on his role, and you revert back to, "I was already suspicious of you, and this just makes it more tempting to vote you."



As for Silly winning the dungeon, he won because you refused to work with Neo and I. More specifically, this ties back into what I've been saying about your pov concerning me. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if you and Silly were both mafia given the interactions in the dungeon.

I posted the description like 3 times

You pm the mod say you wanna know player xs win con, you like restore one **** and if you retarget it neighbors you

I told you in the dungeon that I hate repeating myself, and I've already explained my reasoning behind all of these moot points.
With the exception that N1 Silly contacted me and offered me protection. That's why in the dungeon, I "trusted" Silly.
I treated the dungeon as it's own separate mafia game, because, for me, it was. I had no downside to losing, and gained some abilities if I won. That said, treating the dungeon as its own separate entity, I only had Silly offering me protection to go on.

KOD, I freaking killed you D1, I don't understand why you think I'm not at all suspicious of your actions. This literally confuses me.
Distrust, does not equate to Mafia or Town. The only time I seriously equated you to town was when I said, and I don't quote, "KOD is usually town when he tunnels this hard." The only game I've played with you where you didn't tunnel like this, was last game, and you were mafia. Based purely on my interactions with your playstyle, you are town. I don't like using that for a baseline, and I'm pretty sure I mentioned that too (you'll correct me if I didn't), but just note, that I killed you D1, so yeah, there's suspicion there. It's not flipflopping, it's been constant, I made one statement, maybe several, but all going back to the point of playstyle. Judging based purely on playstyle I find to be irreverent to mafia games as a whole, especially online variants where people can plot and ploy with all the time in the world.