If your neighbour is a mafiate that does two things for you: a) increases your survivability because the mafia is less likely to off a townie that they can potentially manipulate, and b) increases yours odds of helping to locate the entire mafia team should your neighbour be lynched and outed as a mafiate, simply by allow you to out all the ideas they had in your private chat.

If your neighbour is not mafia, then you have a partner to help you work out who is.

Regardless of which of the above two is correct, and even if you don't know which of the above two is correct, you can still use the neighbour chat to help you and your team, whatever your team may be.

Can we get a votecount?

I was working on that as well Zinger, was also dealing with the 2nd replacement

Official Vote Count

Storyteller
Niklor

Garren_Windspear
Zinger2099

Niklor
squinty_eyes

Lilan replaces MUSKA

Because of the recent changes, the deadline moved to Saturday 17th, 23:59 GMT+1

hey hey hey everyone good to be here, I've read over the thread a couple times but my reading comprehension isn't that high so I may have missed things that some of you find important. If you've got anything specific you want me to address then please say so and I'll be glad to do so.

I'm going to go over the thread again and take a few notes and then I'll make a post on what I think is currently relevant myself.

Hey hey, the star of the show has arrived!

I've been reading the thread as the game progresses. Here are some of my thoughts:

- I wonder if it's a new trend people talking without saying anything. This thread is almost on page 10 for me, but aside for the last couple of pages, we have very little to talk about. I have a theory about why this keeps happening, but I'll keep it to me, since it's not exactly relevant to the game.

- I love how people that are "active lurking" keep accusing each other of being "active lurkers".

- I hate how patronizing Niklor has been with people that aren't playing exactly in the way he expects them to play.

- Garren, has there ever been a Mafia game where you did not complain about your powers?

- I'll throw a vote at the player I want to see losing his head the most right now and see what happens.

Vote: squinty_eyes

But when player A flips, he will either have the role of neighbor or not. I thought the scum team are told who their partners are in the beginning of the game, so since their alignments should be confirmed to each other they can't have the neighbor role.

I guess my question is, wouldn't it be game breaking if the host did assign neighbor role to the scum team since not knowing the other people's alignment is a major part of that role?

Roles aren't always revealed upon death. That depends on the host and the setup.

it would not be game breaking, no, as being on a neighbour pair as scum can go both ways of being helpful to your team or hurting it.

You know, I've actually been quite accommodating this game. Had you asked me to lose my head instead of trying to goad me into it, I would have obliged. As it is, you've hurt my feelings.

~SE++

Huh. Every game I've been in the host revealed the role. I thought that was standard.

Every game I've played has revealed roles on death, including scarlet's previous games, iirc.

I am arguably not the best person to be demanding that clarification in the original reason you were neutral and leaning town, but you could have said as much.



He has given his examples already. Why are you asking for what is already there?



I can assure you I am not Hello World in a previous game.



Regardless of whether or not he is trying to help his side win, he still is on that side. I don't see any benefits to ignoring him based on that.



Would you mind explaining your reasons? I'm happy to see you act, but I would like to know why you acted.



Arguably, a sudden bandwagon on a player who flips town would be rather useful since odds tend to favor scum hopping on a bandwagon in that sort of situation.


Why only Tiny and not me as well? Part of my basis for leaning town toward's Garren is that he was rather active and in the spotlight, much like I am. I am not worthy of your suspicion?



I'd blame your signature. You're just asking for it with that line.



Well, for one thing you just said it is useless. If something is useless, why would you ever try to use it? I can stretch saying you disagree with the use of the logic, but use it as a last resort. I can't see why you think its useless and go to it anyway. I'm starting to have doubts, Garren, on where your loyalty to this town lies.



Personally, I blame Obama. He is slowly teaching the world to talk without saying anything. On a less potentially politically enflaming note, more discussion tends to be better than less, in my experience.



I'd hate you back, but meh.



Well, for one thing, I'll ask you why you want him to die most.

@NeoSilk: Why are you trying to fish who his partner is?

Nope.

That one time I was both invincible and the lord of darkness. That was pretty much awesome. Any complaining then was entirely a smokescreen.


Just to add to the chorus here - how would a game where alignment isn't revealed even work? Do you just keep swinging blind and hope you accidentally hit the mafia before they kill you? A game like that would be bizarre.


Funnily you're not the first person to tell me that.


My loyalties lie mostly with surviving into day two so I can actually look at everything that has come before with some solid information (IE a death). Until that point we're all acting on hunches anyway.

And if you must know I used the 'consistent playstyle' thing because I have no reason to suspect Numbers and SeTiny are town - I just have a hunch they are. But if you post saying 'it's just a hunch' everyone assumes you know something more then you do and you end up getting killed for it.

And for the record I think the previous playstyle thing is BS because I'm now trapped being highly-strung and exploding at the slightest provocation because that's how I started my mafia history and deviating from it now get's me killed for inconsistent play.

Of course now I've given two answers to the same question I get killed because 'Lynch All Liars' - the other BS Mafia rule.

Not being overly aggressive is not being overly cautious.



No, I am operating on the information available to me. You have provided no reasoning from the requested point. At no point have you addressed it beyond saying you understand my logic, which is not to say you've considered it yourself, but merely that I have not confused you. I have no reason to believe you when you say you've done things off the forum, because there's no record of it here.



Easily. Understanding a concept and considering a concept are two completely different things. To understand a concept you simply have to grasp the ideas presented about it. To consider a topic is to give it weighted thought, ponder it, reflect deeply on it.



Nobody asked you to plan out SE not being town. You were asked to plan out SE being unknown, which includes the possibility that he is town. Despite what seems to be an assertion of not wanting to treat SE as confirmed town (I'm assuming that's what you meant by taking care not to confirm him as town), all your plans so far only call for a town SE though.



Not all attacks are slander, yes. But all slander is an attack. Given your attack was a baseless allegation, I'd say you fall squarely in slander land. And I would agree that when a player points out a slip that an aggressive counter attack isn't expected. And I did not see one in return. But that's not even what I was saying. As I said before, there are a multitude of ways you could have come at what you saw as a slip. The most basic would be to simply quote what you thought was a slip and simply say, "Is this a slip?" opening the venue to everybody to discuss. What you chose to do was barely point out that you thought you caught a slip and then create a hostile situation by throwing around a baseless attack. That course of action, however, will be expected to be returned with a hostile answer, as that's human nature. But PopPa did not bite your troll bait. Instead he came back with a calm response that you've labeled over defense while simultaneously asserting that he ignored your attack.



That was a pretty **** summary. First of all I didn't test any logic. Secondly I presented Niklor with a request. To comply would make him look more townly to me. To not, would be suspicious. There was no set up for a response. Niklor chose on his own what he would do. I reacted to the route he chose to take. That's a pretty gross misrepresentation for a guy who says he can't lie.



Role. Not alignment. There are generally three methods of reveals. The first is the full reveal. These are kinda on the rarer side. Generally you'll get all the information the player got at the start of the game. The second is the heavy reveal. These will generally tell you role name, alignment, and role type without the specifics. The third is the soft reveal. This type will give you rolename and alignment. Sometimes the role name will contain hints as to the role (such as Dick Tracy, town aligned Investigator) while other times you might not be so lucky. Naturally their are as many variations as there are hosts, but these are the main three you'll encounter.

I don't hate you specifically, just the way you reacted to a behavior you weren't expecting. I can't really hate you, I like your avatar.



I remember you saying somewhere that we should plan out what to do if he's Town, because if we think he's Mafia, we should lynch him, or something along those lines. And not only I agree with that, but I also think he's Mafia.

- First, I don't see his claim as a pro-Town move.
- Second, his claim was what led us to pages and pages of jibber-jabber without much in the way of actual scumhunting.
- Third, I think a claim like that is much more likely to come from a Mafia player as a ruse than from a Town player as the truth, simply because, at least in the first stages of the game, a Town player should be much more cautious about what to reveal, since power roles are such an integral part of Town's gameplan in a majority of games. Mafia, on the other hand, can (and I'm assuming daytime communication here, because A) I tend to assume the worst and work from there and B) Scarlet's last game here had it) ask about it in the chat and coordinate how to fake-claim best.
- Fourth, Squinty said one of the reasons he claimed was because he was looking for imput on how to best use his power. But, so far, he did very little in the way of actually look for imput. He's not asking questions, he's not looking for opinions about his reads, he's not saying what he thinks about everyone else's reads, he's barely said what he thinks! Not only he doesn't look like someone trying to make the best usage of his ability, he in fact looks to me like someone that is hiding behind a smokescreen he dropped. Like one of those magicians of old. Or a ninja.
- Fifth, as a killer, there's always a chance that he's a third party, and I rather kill that than take a random shot at a Townie.

You weren't exactly happy when you realized you couldn't win anymore. That counts as complaining for me

...you win this time. Curse you all and your functioning memories of events.

Interrupting your regularly scheduled programming because god damn it


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