And - you all have 48 hours to send in your votes for SE's team:

squinty_eyes // bentz // Roaring Mouse // razorborne

well, I'm certainly going to approve that team, since it's pretty much exactly the one I would've proposed. fairly certain Aaargh and Mown are gonna vote no, and we'll see what everyone else says.

I like this team better since I'm on it and I am Resistance. I said previously that this team would need to be picked perfectly assuming there was only one spy on the Mission 1. With myself on the team I know the chances of succeeding are higher than without me.

It sounds like quite a few people believe there was two spies on Mission 1. Can someone explain why this is?

I'm not sure it's "quite a few", I think it's just me. anyway, for a quick why, Mown voted down a team he was on which makes me suspect that perhaps he was trying to avoid a two-spy clash. my working theory is that Aaargh is a spy and, thinking that the first team would get rejected anyway, put another spy on, so that when people went back to analyze later, if they were suspicious of one it would look good for the other. the next logical objection is "but how did they get exactly one fail card?" to which a) it's a 50/50 shot, despite what Squinty tells you, and b) there are good ways to deal with that but I don't want to discuss them while we're playing because it hurts the town if the spies haven't figured it out already.

I sent in my vote of "yes." There was some debate, but I think I've chosen a strong team of Resistance fighters. I do hold some reservations of a specific player, and I will reveal them once this proposal is done, I promise.

~SE++

I didn't think that first one actually sent. I looked for it because I thought I did, but then didn't find it so I sent it again.
I posted from my mobile the first time so I didn't trust that it went through.

OOC: It is just a joke, and I apologize that it was a double post.

And now everyone fears altimis, because you can never get a friggin' read on if he's joking or being serious under the guise of joking. Neo, can I be a vigilante and kill altimis again? It didn't work out last time, let me keep going until it does!

~SE++

Oh that's low squinty...

My current theory is that all spies voted no for the last mission. There's no proof, there's no real reason, that's just the hunch I get.
As such, I trust Mown more than eiter Aaarrrgh or razorborne (I'm not saying both are spies, I'm just saying that I think about of them are more suspicious than Mown). That means, that, me knowing my alignment, I have five choices to dish out three spy accusations (one of which HAS to be either razorborne or Aaarrrgh). My top suspects, with this "method" would be:

razorborne
bentz
Roaring Mouse / Aaarrrgh

I know that helps us out very little, as such I'm guessing this mission will fail as double spies / potentially triple spies is very bad idea. I have absolutely no faith in this mission.
This method is far from tested, so it's extremely unreliable, but I'm open to hear defenses from bentz and Roaring Mouse. razorborne and Aaarrrgh are free to comment, but I'm guessing it'll be he said/she said so I'm more interested in hearing from bentz and Roaring Mouse.

this does not follow. Mown was the only person on the first mission who voted no.

EBWOP: never mind, misread.

anyway I have nothing really to say in my defense beyond that I think my being scum gets rid of the most reasonable explanation for Mown's first no vote. then again, you haven't given any reasons for any of your suspicions, so I don't know what defenses you're expecting.

You have to admit, it makes things difficult for you.

While I agree with the Aaarrrgh guess of being a Spy (since I've been pretty vocal that is my guess as well), I don't feel the same about razorborne as of yet. Roaring Mouse and bentz have been fairly quiet so far, so reads on them are slightly more difficult.

~SE++

Well, I voted against the last team because I didn't like squinty's interaction with razor, which seemed spy-like to me, and made me think they were in cahoots. Now, with both of them on the same team, I don't know what to think. Granted, Razor seems very sure that being two spies on a mission is easy, so squinty may have invited him for that reason, our my read could be completely wrong. Either way, this team intrigues me.

Which interaction was this, if you don't mind me asking. I mean, I have two thoughts on this:

(1) I like his plays because he seems to be scumhunting, which is beneficial if we want to win this.

(2) You're my number one pick for scum, so it feels like some vague deflection unless you can show me some evidence.

~SE++

Well, I don't think his actions look like scumhunting, because he's pushing an implausible theory (which I of course know is wrong) and treats it as fact. And that theory is one that would be deadly for the resistance if razor there was only one spy on the mission, especially if that spy was razor. And the fact that you approve of his insane theory, combined with your admission that you refuse to accept simple statistics made me doubt your leadership skills...

Just noticed that there are some weird phrases in that last post. I'm posting from a phone...

First of all, I haven't actually accepted his theory, I was simply noting I have a different way of thinking about it. Just because I find validity in his theory IF there were two Spy Scum on the team doesn't mean I believe there were two Spy Scum on the team. Second of all, yes, I know I have an unorthodox way of looking at probability, but it's just something I believe in to an extent. It has nothing to do with the game except explaining how I see the possibility of two spies on the first Mission and the possibilities that could come from it.

If I haven't been clear, my person guess is that there was one Spy. My guess is you. I'm still trying to look at others, but right now we're reaching the same point that altimis and numbers (I think, whatever) did in the Chocolate game, where it's only two people arguing back and forth instead of looking at everyone else for information as well.

So, what does everyone else think so far? Roaring Mouse, bentz and seTiny have been fairly quiet as far as I'm concerned, and I want to know what you guys think. If we want to win this, we need everyone working together.

~SE++

not as fact, as most likely possibility. and I hope you'll excuse me if I don't take your word on your alignment.

it's really not. whether there's one or two spies in the first mission, we are going to need four people from the outside group. eventually we may need to find a fifth, in which case it becomes useful to know which is which, but that's not crucial until mission 5, by which time, if we even need it, we'll have a lot more to go on than we do now. so either way the most logical team is the four most town people outside of the first mission, so why exactly is it so deadly?

I don't talk much because I don't have a clue, It feels quite strange to talk in the air with no information. I also rejected the proposal because I wanted more information.
My hunch is that squinty hit it right, and that the 5 players starting with him are resistance.
but I'm honestly not sure.

I look forward into this, and if squinty is right, then zherog is probably a resistance also, he would probably not take 2 spies with him on the mission.