You would need like, virtually everyone playing to agree to make it happen at this point.

It's really not plausible.

I'm not going to beat a dead horse though.

I see we have a JaC/JD wagon going essentially.

I got kind of a bit lost on the dungeon thing - why aren't we just lynching Silly? They're like acting like I was, but they're not me, so it's not OK.

Vote: Silly

My honest opinion is there's probably some kind of weird **** going on with KoD/Neo

But that we really need to kill mafia or the game just ends and you lose

I feel like between JD/Silly is the proper answer given the self conundrum and their general play depending re: mechanic chronology/whatever

I am willing to see Rag as a Captain Ahab type at the moment who is just randomly obsessed with killing me

Quick clarification on my ability. If I mess up, when bringing someone back, it's not their alignment that changes, it's their entire role. So, they could retain the same alignment, but with different abilities and such, or, more likely, they would have everything different. I can also control how much they know about their role/abilities.
When KoD was brought back, it was done slowly, until I was satisfied that he was not corrupted, at which point I gave him back the rest of his abilities.
With my losing the mini-game, the chances of corruption has doubled, so, most likely, anyone I bring back will no longer be themselves. But that's not going to stop me!

you know the fact that kod has a very distinct possibility of being non-town

really puts his whole

"im town see i died and was town"

"trust me"

*proceeds to be awful and anti-town*

"no seriously i'm town guys"

argument in a different light

like that has been his biggest (really only) justification for all his actions thus far

and it's not even a good one

That makes me want to vote KOD more with that information. Besides the fact that I'm not overly fond of his plays.
If he's town, I trust Neo, and would vote Silly and gang, and Neo has a potential resurrection ability which is still a plus.
If he's not town, we have a new target with Neo.

We have an exceptionally divided town (not the alignment), which needs to change.

Alt, prior to Neo revealing that information you still didn't trust me as town.

I do think the reveal of Neo as reviver has been a bit late (didn't we waste like 200 posts debating whether it was PK or not?), but I don't see a reason to change my stance too much.
Now there is a bit of statistics of course in there, but I do not think KoD was returned 'corrupted'. However, I do not think the use of the resurrection ability again is a good idea.

@Neo: You mention the chance is doubled, but did you know the base chance? The way it was worded I do not think so, but I could be wrong.
So there is potential for a town-losing play by resurrecting and hitting the bad percentage. Even if one gets corrupted, do they turn self or scum or secret? That would be an issue too. Unless you have that info and can share it.

His base chance was 10%. I believe it was supposed to go up by 10% after every use from what he claimed to me, but with the loss in the dungeon it should be at 40%.

However, I do think it is a good idea for him to use it. The person is locked behind levels of access and only knows information based on their level. This means a person could be resurrected and still work for the town so long as they don't know their alignment was changed.

But that's solely at Neo's discretion as it's likely whoever he revives next will be corrupt. On the flip side he could resurrect, for example, Arrgh and get info out of him.

So what you're saying is that Neo's ability is an exact mirror of PaK's ability as claimed by you earlier but you and Neo are townsies because guys you swear you're townsies and you guys know that because you've been colluding outside of the main thread together. Yeah?

What's that? Mafia have a reviving cult person who can convert people? Or PK has another player of his alignment who can also cult and revive?

Oh no.

i dont get how you determine whether or not you revived a townie

if they have a 40% chance of coming back as a non-town, how will you ever be able to tell?

they're going to say "hey guys im town" regardless of what their new role is

and if you revive argh and ask him what his old role is

if he was town before he's going to tell you he was town

and if he was mafia before he's going to tell you he was town

@KoD, I'm asking you if that's an accurate representation of your claim. I'll take your over defensive answer as affirmative though.

Sure is JD.

If you say so Silly.

Neo's role doesn't cult people according to the claim, it "corrupts" them. They could still end up as town afterwards apparently, so the chance of their alignment changing is something lower than the chance of them being corrupted. (although we don't know the exact chance, presumably, without more information on how corruption works).

This means according to KoD/Neo's claim, that KoD had up to a 10% chance of being non-town when he was revived, and that the next person to revive will have up to a 40% chance of being non-town.

But yeah, if i were KoD i would not have pushed the "i'm the towniest" angle so hard if it were eventually going to be revealed that there was a chance you weren't town.

I still think KoD is the most likely player to be town though, because 10% is a small number.

I suppose its interesting that Neo can revive someone and not ever let them know their alignment and then their best bet will be to play as their old alignment in the hopes that it hasn't changed.

Original town have a 0% chance of not being town though Rag, so small number logic dictates that KoD isn't mots likely to be town because there's others with a smaller number. Math.

Also Neo's ability is one hell of a crap shoot. There's no way to verify it as a 3rd party candidate to his claim. A revived player may be able to corroborate his story but if Neo isn't town and his revived aren't town, that 3p still has no reason to trust anything said unless they are just the pinnacle of townliness, which KoD and Neo have not been. And that's the rub for town. Hell, if Neo is controlling the information they get he could be feeding them false information just as easily.

Man, sucks to be town right now. Mafia is a little better off because they still have an accurate count on their numbers and a kill everybody that isn't us mentality they can stick to.

Here's some science:

Unvote. Vote: KoD

If both of you say so.

If i had a list of the players who were town at the start of the game they would probably all be lower on my lynch list than KoD.

I can give you a partial list

Niklor
Fred

that's my list

Is that because you investigated them?

So if I'm not mistaken these are the main issues, right?

1) PK and his role/ability.
If I'm not mistaken PK claimed to have 7 loyalty prior to being put in the dungeon. He's secret aligned. He could be at 9 or 11 at the moment. Depending on the way N3 played out. What was the dungeon effect on him again? I kinda lost track if that was already claimed/mentioned somewhere.

2) KoD's revive and towniness.
Given that I do put Altemis pretty high on my town list, that would mean that I trust what he claimed and that KoD pre-ressurection was town aligned. Post-resurrection little changed in my PoV. The biting on a subject seems typical KoD and though I understand some want that gone, I'd prefer not to waste a lynch on it. The given 10% chance of corruption is one thing, but even if he is, it is not yet known if corruption equals mafia. If not, it's possible we don't need to heed him at all even if he IS corrupted.
But as said, I don't think he is.

3) JD vs Silly
JD claimed self pretty soon, Silly (alledgedly) switched alignments a bit.
I do have a few issues with this probability, but it is quite a bit dependant on how Rag would flip if he'd eventually die.
Which brings me to

4) The various similar role claims.
Word of GM says that all claims so far are indeed games that he designed. So it is possible that similar roles exist.
That still gives a different issue though, one that goes back quite a bit in mafia history.
Wasn't there a rule that cops should be tested? And the ultimate test is death some day?
There is nothing worse than having cops alive in lylo, but at the same time the cops we've had are not your run-of-the-mill cops. So it kinda hurts my brain to think about all the possibilities there.
Silly and Rag have had cop-like abilities, with Rag investigating Silly as well.
And Silly's name claim is similar to KoD. (But again, this was confirmed by Zinger as a possibility)

4) NeoSilk and his future usage
My opinion on usage is known. I do think 40% chance is too big of a chance to fail. Especially when it's unknown what corruption does. (My mind goes to an anime series where a reanimated zombie knows how to break the resurrection and doesn't give a crap about the limitations of the ability user).
The role itself could go either way. Again, because it is unknown what corruption does. So Neo is quite unknown for me so far.

With 9 people alive, there are in my PoV 4 lynch targets:

Rag, Rubik, Neo, Silly.

JD/PaK I trust not to be mafia by their (relatively) early claims.
Alt/KoD are in my eyes tied together.
And in my PoV I'm of course not lynching myself.

Other/more musings when I get back from chess club later tonight...or tomorrow (if its past midnight when I get back xD)