Indeed.

I'd really like it if someone other than us and numbers would attack us.

Until under attack by at least three people, it just doesn't feel like a game of mafia.

Well colour me surprised. I don't normally expect to come back to work with two pages of dialogue to read until Day 3 or so and here we all are getting our chat on. Let's have a look-see at what we've got here.


Ah you worry to much. Everyone knows 90% of what I say is either lies or misplaced bravado so you should never really read to much into what I say. I tend to type without thinking at the best of times.


Good eye! I was interested in seeing who caught that! Yeah my power kinda let's me know another persons power by sheer default of having a functioning brain. Unfortunately it's more 'huh that's a neat idea' then it is 'huh that's kinda useful'. Which is a shame. So assuming S_E is telling the truth (still think he is about his power anyway) then I now know three peoples powers! Huzzah for information gathering.


That is easily the truest thing anyone has ever said about me. I've died more due to writing making me look inconsistent and highly-strung then I have for actually being mafia. Basically I am terrible under pressure and explode.


Vas? I thought we solved the whole 'shouting at Squinty' thing? Or do you still find my fishing for information to be enough? I'm okay if that is just clarifying the situation here.


I scared of numbers turning against me. He never lets up and I am terrible under pressure so I always end up doing something stupid regardless of alignment. I do like your 'don't bold vote' trick though. That was pretty nifty. I'll have to use that at some point.

So, dangerous out of game realization here. Based on the sign up thread, Felbatista was supposed to replace Hello World after the tenth. Yet, he hasn't, despite appearing to be active on the board and it being two days later. And we still have yet to have any sort of announcement regarding Hello World being replaced or a different replacement being sought.

Does this seem very odd to anyone else? I can understand MUSKA could just be hardcore lurking and see why we wouldn't have had any word on him being replaced because of it. But Hello World announced he was going to be replaced and then just went silent. I can't see any reason why it wouldn't be announced he was being replaced, even if it turned out Felbatista wasn't going to be the replacement, especially given his replacement was apparently determined before the game even began.

Of course, this could all be due to one or more parties not checking in and responding to messages, but I still don't see why it wouldn't be announced.

Because we are still discoursing. Why are you so eager to see votes flying around?



I am referring to the line of posts where I commented that your point of view was based solely on the assumption that SE was town aligned, which you confirmed. I then asked you point blank to reason from a position of SE being an unknown to see your line of logic and you flat out refused. Given your intitial reaction to SE's claim was to be hesitant because "a pro-town killing role is excellent camouflage for any anti-town killing role", it seems a fair claim for you to reason as if you believe him to possibly be such. But instead you've switched to a line of reasoning where you are more than willing to give SE the benefit of the doubt and treat him as town until such time as he's shown to not be town. This almost 180, to me, screams that you're serving a hidden agenda rather than trying to take the best course of action as town.



Here's his third post in it's entirety:



As is plain to see, he address the flavor debate and speaks his mind about SE's claim and subsequent discussion without addressing anybody specifically. How you can pull "He's attacking me!" out of that baffles me, as he doesn't address anybody specifically.



Your statement might be an attack? Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you just say you intentionally attacked him? And I didn't say his response would be justified, I said it would be expected. I supposed you intentionally created a hostile situation in order to create a hostile response. That's the whole point of trolling, is it not?



Not reacting in the way you anticipate is not failing to react. His reaction is the post he psuedo votes you. This is the post I can only really see as being one in which you might see him as attacking you, as he does lay down his pseudo vote in it. Granted his recent post after mine where he seemed to think you were saying he slipped in the first line of his third post baffles me, but that aside your initial comment in your attack reads (expanded upon the "truth") "He can't know others alignments, save if he can." which in itself is a nothing comment like he says it is. To put it in other terms (contracting on the rest of the statement), your comment reads, "True. Unless False." Do you see why it's a nothing statement now? As for him not addressing the second part, if you go around pointing a finger at the entire roster and simply calling them scum without giving any reasons to back it up, how many responses do you actually expect to get?



I fail to see an overreaction, given you're trying to state that his calling your nothing statement a nothing statement is an overreaction. Nor is failing to respond to your goating. And building it into such when it's not is slander.

Scarlet, can we get an update on HW's replacement? Are we to assume MUSKA is "active"?

I realized I forgot to do a read on Neo - Quiet thus far. Seems to be getting more talkative which he usually should be. Slight mafia lean.

@Pariah: I apologize. Somehow, my brain grouped you and numbers together so I am looking through the thread again.



@Garren: I don't get why you would assume some kind of information gathering skill to be useless? Or is that statement a joke? I am not getting this. I can't decide if you are town or mafia trying to smokescreen. Or the possibility of a third underground party.

It's because it's not really an information gathering skill in the sense of a cop or something like that. I just happen to know - due to the powers nature - one other persons power from the get go. If it was a true information gathering skill I'd love that.

Hard to tell with Febb. Why don't you ask him?

Directing the Doc to protect a specific target, even a powerful one such as a Vigilante, is more often then not a scumtell. Mafia convinces Doc that Doc should protect Player A so that Mafia can safely kill Player B. This is my first point against Garren.

Because I was not active. I was simply doing my due diligence as a responsible player in letting the Mod know that I would not be able to be active for the foreseeable future. I barely had the time to log on to do that, even.

I would like to know what you meant by this. Is this in reference to the game or did you run out of time to keep typing the post IRL? Or what?

Didn't you previously state that you don't subscribe to methodology that uses previous play styles to help you get a read on players? You yeah, you did:
Blatantly contradicting his own methods of scumhunting is a clear indicator that he doesn't have much of a plan beyond saying whatever he thinks might sway people to believing whatever wagon he's pushing. This is my second point against Garren, for those keeping a tally.

I am now caught up as far as pages 1 through 5. I still have to read pages 6 and 7. But for now, I'm going to Vote: Garren_Windspear as he is currently pinging number 1 on my scum-dar, based on the limited info that I have.

I have to go to class now. Will hopefully catch up on the rest tonight if there is time.

Because I tend to associate a lack of voting with a need to be seen as levelheaded by others. If you honestly believe I am slandering PopPa, I don't see any reason to hold off on voting me. It's not as if I somehow can't clear my name somehow and you can't unvote me. I just see someone being overly cautious with their vote and automatically become suspicious.



Again, I never refuse. You are associating the fact I haven't committed it to a post as refusal to consider it. But again...



How do I understand something if I haven't considered it?

As for my position on Squinty, I want to take care not to confirm him as town, as some people are doing, but I see no reason to plan out what to do if he isn't town. This is what we do if he seems suspicious: Lynch. Therefore, I'm wagering on planning what to do as if he is town because I see almost no benefit to lynching him today before he has a chance to act.



Well, that was confusing. I'm assuming you've been counting his post from before the game started. I wasn't. Since it was made before the game started and all.

I was never using that post to justify my attack.



My statement was an attack. An attack does not equal slander. I did attack him. I did not mean to slander him. And I disagree that when pointing out a player has made a slip, it is expected for them to respond with an aggressive counterattack. That is a prime example of overreacting.



I'm saying it was an unusual choice of wording that may have slipped out from a player who is scum. Perhaps I should have just outright said, "And you know this because your are scum?" or something along those lines, but I thought it was a more clever way of insinuating that. On the matter of pointing fingers and expecting reactions, I generally expect everyone to respond to everything anyone says about them as that is how I tend to play. I've never understood how flatly ignoring what someone else says without so much as a word on the matter will help the town, so I tend to expect the same out of everyone else, even when it isn't the case. I won't go so far as to call it suspicious, but I still expect people to respond.



No, I'm saying going on the attack over a nothing statement while largely ignoring the fact I'm saying he slipped up and said something that indicates a scum mindset is an overreaction. And since it is, it isn't slander.

Wow...just wow...
I'm going to try and start where I left off. If I've missed anything directed at me, just let me know...

Niklor

I think it came up later, but yes, the post on Garren being the doc was a joke.

As for Garren vs Numbers - they have very different play styles (or they have in the games that I've played). Numbers...well, he tends to confuse me, while Garren seems to play with a more style more like how I play (again, from past experiences).

With the Muska debate, 100% agree, lynching someone who has not posted gets us nothing. But, and this has come up, something needs to happen, or having an inactive player is really bad for town.



How am I trying to associate us together? Please expand on that, if you would.



Examples?



No idea how I missed that. So, you've got a power that lets you know another's powers, and, somehow, you already have used it? I'm confused - can you expand on that?

@Zinger

My "I ran out of time" was in reference to life, not the game.

Who is Febb?

Earlier, I point out that, were I the doc, I'd not save SE, as I don't think he's a good target for the mafia. Garren says the opposite, and you focus on him directing the doc, but I get a pass? That seems inconsistent (but in my favor, I guess).

Now, with that, Garren does seem to be trying to direct the game a bit more than I would expect for someone as town. Couple that with his "extra information" and it does start to seem odd.

For now, I'm going to:
Unvote:


Confused seems to be hunting now, and, seems to be the only one who noticed Garren's 3 power comment. Now that Garren is looking slightly more scummy to me, I find it hard to believe that both Garren and Confused are scum (if they are, it's a great move...).

Final comment for now:



Votes are more meaningful than just throwing out names. It gives us something to look back on later in the game. I'm all for getting some votes out there, just so we have something concrete to look back on later. Especially now, since it's not random votes, which are more or less meaningless.

My reasoning was stated in the same post.
I believe my degree of belief in SE's claim was different from yours, yet you stated as though we were on the same boat, and I pointed it out as such.

Yes I saw where the squinty comes from for your blatant example. I still feel that exchange seems a little scripted and the question was with the evidence available who would I be voting for. So for now you are still high on my list.

I'm still waiting for Squinty to post more than a few quips.

Hey Zing! Nice to see you joined us. Although I must say I'm kinda hurt about that accusation right there. I mean you focused entirely on the first half of that sentence while completely ignoring the second half (I bolded it for ya). You might want to re-read that as it's still early game and, to quote myself, people haven't got a great deal to work with. Still nice to see you here. Two more people and we can actually have a full party!


Sure can buddy! I don't want to just claim cause that's not really fair to the other guy (the one whose power I know) but basically our power is we can talk to each other. It's less useful then it sounds since we don't know each others alignment or anything so it's pretty much just been 'hey you think anyone is scum' 'nah not really' 'kay...'

In before 'OMG G_W is colluding with someone clearly he is teh scum'.


Can I ask a legit question here? I've never been mafia before so can they talk any time or is it only in the night phase? It's just this in the second time you've said my conversation with someone sounded scripted (back in... another game. I forget which.) and I still never really got that. Do you mean it sounds like I have literally scripted what I am going to say here with someone else (like we are both actors) or just that it sounds inorganic?

Wouldn't be much of a game if mafia couldn't talk during day...

The answer I got when I asked in chocolate mafia (a game you were in) was it was up to the person running the game, but the current trend is to allow day talking. In that game the mafia and telepaths were allowed to talk day or night.



Correct.

I wasn't saying that the conversation was fully mapped out before hand. It could be as simple as in the mafia chat squinty saying he wanted to claim early and you saying you were going to give him that chance.

Ah right. Thanks for the reminder. I vaguely recalled the question coming up but couldn't remember the given answer.


Fair enough. Kinda annoying that it's the sorta argument I can't really defend myself against but hey what ya going to do. At some point we're going to have to go into more detail on this just so I stop getting accused of being a robot so much.

Wait you can talk to someone during the day and you're asking if the mafia can?



So with this are you claiming to be a Mason?