@JD:

You're the one that is focused solely on "failed" wagon. I'm not. My entire reasoning for looking at Darkstar in the first place is due to him being new(ish) to mafia (with us) and the Jeep tell for your wagon. I extended (incorrectly) that tell to Darkstar again for the vote on Arrgh. So, no, my argument concerning the first Jeep tell isn't invalid. It's certainly not the best argument, it isn't an argument that is based on a "failed" wagon (on you) where you were one vote away from death.

As for Arrgh again, -- oh he's willing to claim a minor power role.

Knee-jerk reaction from me with him voting me.

Let's see.

With how close JD was brought to lynch, I can't honestly say he'd be scum. Too much risk there for a fellow scum player to put their partner in range of hammer. That leaves Arrgh, Monster, Darkstar, and Rag suspect.

I pushed Arrgh over a misunderstanding of his post wrt to Darkstar/JD. Arrgh also is willing to claim a minor power role to avoid his own lynch. I can't rightly say he feels scummy.

Unvote

Monster's reaction to Arrgh felt extremely town to me. I can't in good conscience say it is Monster.

That leaves Darkstar and Rag.

Rag, granted it is D1, isn't inactive yet which is a slight indication she is town.

That leaves Darkstar. I keep coming back to you.


That means the scum team is composed of some combination of Darkstar/Naga/HW.

Naga was afk until coming in and being rubbed the wrong way by Arrgh. Fair.

HW is the only odd one left as his vote on JD -- do I have the right ppl that voted JD? Monster's joke vote, someone screw it looking back rq.

Ok Arrgh was never voting JD. That should fix it. So yeah, HW jumps from JD to Arrgh and remains there atm.

I'm confident enough in HW being potential scum when compared to most others for one reason or another given above.

Vote: HW

Considering my vote on KoD was mainly out of self preservation, I would not mind flipping to HW. But only if someone else moves there vote there first, just so I don't accidentally put my own head on the chopping block. It's quite difficult to keep track of the votes in this game right now.

@KoD, I wasn't responding to the initial jeep tell. My original post on the matter specifically called out where you said dark was moving from a failed wagon to another wagon where he was jeep again. I merely pointed out that he wasn't jeep again nor was he moving from a failed wagon, which invalidated those arguments put forth. You then stated the argument presented in my post (again nothing in my post referred to the original jeeping) was still valid. So you must be mistaken for a third time.

In terms of the overall matter at hand, I find your behavior suspicious because you made it a point to down play the original jeep tell to a point where you didn't vote dark right then. Then the extra bits were tacked on and you laid your vote, which means they had a heavy hand in tipping that scale. But when I pointed out they were invalid, you continued to try to justify yourself.

KoD has made some seriously dizzying swerves this game. Aaarrrgh trying to save KoD despite KoD tunneling Aaarrrgh looks like buddying to me. Could they be scum together?

Even if KoD's initial assessment of Aaarrrgh was invalid (which I'm not convinced it was), Aaarregh's reaction to being pushed to L -2 is incredibly telling to me. Y'all are ignoring how badly he tried to blatantly misrep me with blatant and provable lies. This, from a guy with a NLP, is extremely scummy.

Plus, he forced my hand and pushed me to be more active on Day 1 then I like to be.

I'm keeping my vote right where it is and urging others to take a closer look at Aaarrrgh's misdeeds. His claim of a "minor power role" doesn't jive with me either. It's convenient and tells us nothing. Easy scum claim.

KoD


Ok, that's what you're talking about.

In the sense that the wagon failed to result in your lynch, yes, failed.

In the sense that the wagon failed to be a wagon, no. Your wagon stalled at 4 votes and failed to secure a final vote to result in your death. That is true. My use of the word "failed" there is not incorrect.

As to my use of "to another that cropped up" that wasn't meant to describe moving from another "failed wagon" to another "failed wagon", but rather moving from a "wagon" to another "wagon". My use of failed was to describe the first wagon. The second wagon, that I pushed on Arrgh which garnered votes from Monster and DarkStar (unoffical vote from HW which later turned into a vote on DarkStar) is exactly that. A wagon.

And yeah, I didn't make a play on DarkStar right away because, IIRC, Arrgh was still a thing for me. It wasn't until I came to an understanding over Arrgh's post that I then switched my focus. My progression should be clear as day.


But yeah, I was mistaken about DarkStar being a third vote again on Arrgh (he was the second as you clearly pointed out).

JD


This isn't a mistake though. This is just you focusing on my word choice.



KoD


The stated argument being mine. He still moved from the failed wagon to another wagon that cropped up. My focus isn't to justify your arguments as you are questioning my arguments. Some rightly so (like the second instance of DarkStar Jeep telling incorrectly). Others (like the jump from one wagon to another) are valid.

@KoD, I'm not taking it as a failed wagon to another failed wagon either. My point is that the wagon on me hadn't failed at that point, but was still a wagon in progress. The time difference between rag putting me at L-1 and Dark moving his vote is something like 8 hours. Naga wasn't even active during that time frame, so to say I definitely wouldn't be hammered and so it was a stalled wagon (as expecting a self hammer is unlikely, you expressed no interest in hammering and Aaarrrgh voted dark during that time) isn't even applicable. Secondly dark was second on Aaarrrgh so to say he moved to another wagon is also invalid as one vote doesn't make a wagon. You're currently trying to justify it as a wagon with votes that happened after dark put his vote there.

1.

It is a failed wagon. We can disagree on semantics all day, but as far as I am concerned it isn't a successful wagon, unless it results in a lynch (I won't argue about a lynch being prevented via a tie). My only focus is on the fact that you were a wagon (not literal). Dark was a part of that. Stalled wagon, sure. I won't disagree with that.


2.

I decided to push Arrgh. Dark moved to, seemingly, the only other case at present that had an active proponent behind it (me). Yes, there was not a second person on it when Dark jumped on (Dark being the second), but given my case against Arrgh was fresh (and fair when ignoring the misunderstanding I had wrt to Arrgh's post), it was a viable "wagon" to join. It wasn't like Dark was Nader voting by himself on someone. He joined an active case against Arrgh, and I'm qualifying that as a wagon despite our disagreement over it.

1. By your logic every single vote placed today is a failed wagon so you've jumped wagons at least three times today.

2. Your vote was roughly 38 hours old. It predates all but one vote in the game. It's hardly fresh. Dark's vote flew on Aaarrrgh as soon as Aaarrrgh voted Dark. You'd have better luck trying to justify voting dark under a jeep + OMGUS, but you haven't brought that up once because it's never been about dark actually being suspicious. It's been about you not having made another "mistake" and looking bad yourself.

Context for my way of playing is that I didn't even want to be in this game, so I'm just trying ti not do any damage.

Votecount 1.6
KingofDominaria (3): JayDreven, Aaarrrgh, Ragnarokio
Aaarrrgh (2): DaRkStAr, M0nster
DaRkStAr (1): Hello World
Ragnarokio (1): Naga
Hello World (1): KingofDominaria

Day 1 Deadline is on Saturday at 7 PM EST. With 8 players alive, the Majority is 5 votes.

Approx. 5 hours remain to the Day (at time of writing).

KingofDominaria is currently in the lead with 3 votes against. If nothing changes by the Deadline he will be Lynched.

I think that posting now might help clear me a little if kod turns out to be mafia, I guess.

Maybe I'll focus a bit more on the game tomorrow.

Well, bye bye, I have work in 4 hours and need to sleep now.

22 minutes to Deadline. KoD is still set to be Lynched unless there is a last-minute swing.

1. I'd accept the consequence of my logic wrt to that.

2. It has been about Dark being suspicious as far as I am concerned. The justification of my argument, no matter how weak, doesn't need to be perfect. Not for a Day 1 lynch. It's about looking for behavior that sticks out, or at least eliminating people as potential town to get to those who may not be.

Aaaaaaaand THAT'S TIME. Day 1 has ended. Let's have a look at the final vote tally, shall we?

Votecount 1.7
KingofDominaria (3): JayDreven, Aaarrrgh, Ragnarokio
Aaarrrgh (3): DaRkStAr, M0nster, KingofDominaria
DaRkStAr (1): Hello World
Ragnarokio (1): Naga

With 8 players alive, the Majority is 5 votes. If a Majority was not met, the player with the most votes is Lynched instead at Deadline unless there is a tie, in which case no one is Lynched.

It seems the Day has ended in a tie vote, and no one was Lynched.

Unable to come to a unified decision, the players walk away from the empty noose to retire for the Night.

It is now Night 1. Night 1 lasts for 24 hours and will end tomorrow at 7 PM EST. If you have access to an ability please send me a message indicating whether or not you plan to use it (even if you don't want to use it, letting me know allows me to possibly end the Night prematurely provided all other Night actions are accounted for). Remember, there is no talking at Night (unless your role tells you otherwise, which, let's be honest, none of them do).

As the dawn sun shines on a new Day the Couch Gags rise from their slumber to discover at least one of them was up to no good last Night! And we don't mean the kind of innocent no good that will keep Bart in detention his whole life. KingofDominaria was murdered! A terrible tragedy. No more will the magic of Disney grace our Simpsons couch.



It is now Day 2. Day 2 will last until Thursday at 7 PM EST. With 7 Players alive, it takes 4 votes to form a Majority and cause a Lynch.

Well that was... unexpected.

With the heat against KoD (he was almost lynched Day 1), I would think it'd make more sense for Mafia to leave him alive to create more confusion Day 2... Add to that the fact that he had the option of switching teams if we got lucky with our lynch Day 1, and this makes for a very odd mafia hit. Granted, there's no indication the mafia knew KoD's role, but still... seems convenient that the mafia would take out the town traitor for us...

Almost makes more sense as a Vig kill, but then, there was only one kill so it pretty much had to be Mafia, right?

I'm probably reading too much into this.

Time to look at KoD's interactions from Day 1 more closely.

@M0nster: to everything you said there.

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Did anyone use their abilities and made some discoveries over night?
I am looking especially at Aaarrrgh with his "minor power role" claim.

If town has a doc and a vig it's completely possible for it to be a vig hit, but I'm not going to assume it's anything other than the mafia hit until there's evidence to suggest it (more so than just the indication from KoD flipping because a mafiaite died first night of the game). Also given KoD has a limited chance to flip I doubt mafia would be aware of him.

His limited flip is going to create weird interactions as well. He might not have gone too hard into town mode yesterday in case he flipped, but he's likely to not push too hard against town either in case he doesn't. I can see all his "mistakes" yesterday being the result of trying to find weak wagons that would allow him to be active but not part of a major wagon. A semi neutral stance. This would also explain why he jumped off Aaarrrgh when that wagon picked up speed.

For me this flip is basically creating a wash of information, essentially. I'm going back to square one.