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Author:  draco1119 [ Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:55 pm ]
Post subject:  "Caster"
I've been invited to join a current campaign, starting level is somewhere between 8-10. When I asked what the party needed, the response was "Well, they don't really have a caster. Of any kind."

So, given that I prefer physical combat to spell duels, what should I make? I'm debating between a straight cleric + PrC, a Ruby Knight Vindicator (probably capping out at 8th level spells), or a Psychic Warrior or Ardent (maybe Tashalatora style).
Author:  Cyclone_Joker [ Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: "Caster"
No caster of any kind makes me immediately think you need a wizard, but since that isn't your thing, I'd go with a domain-focused cleric, Sovereign Speaker/Contemplative/whatever else you need. Massive list-expansion can help you pull some wizard weight decently. Actually, Elf isn't a particularly suck choice here, since SotMI is pretty pro.

If your party lacks any casters, at higher levels you really want something with a big three-sized list and full access. As such, I recommend against RKV, the CL problems are too much, not to mention its main draw actually doesn't work. Either way, with the things your considering, I have to recommend CC+PrC.
Author:  draco1119 [ Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: "Caster"
Cyclone_Joker wrote:
No caster of any kind makes me immediately think you need a wizard, but since that isn't your thing, I'd go with a domain-focused cleric,
Where do I find that? From what I've been able to find, it's from Dragon Mag, and I don't know if that's available - or even what the difference is. :/
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Sovereign Speaker/Contemplative/whatever else you need. Massive list-expansion can help you pull some wizard weight decently. Actually, Elf isn't a particularly suck choice here, since SotMI is pretty pro.
I'll look into those. SS is Magic of Eberron, and Contemplative & SotMI are both CD, correct?
Author:  Cyclone_Joker [ Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: "Caster"
draco1119 wrote:
Where do I find that?
It's a build type, no different from Mailman or Batman wizard.
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From what I've been able to find, it's from Dragon Mag, and I don't know if that's available - or even what the difference is.
You appear to be thinking about the Evangelist cleric. It's awesome, but Dragon material, sadly.
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Sovereign Speaker/Contemplative/whatever else you need. Massive list-expansion can help you pull some wizard weight decently. Actually, Elf isn't a particularly suck choice here, since SotMI is pretty pro.
I'll look into those. SS is Magic of Eberron, and Contemplative & SotMI are both CD, correct?
Faiths of Eberron, actually, unless I'm mistaken, but besides that yep.
Author:  draco1119 [ Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: "Caster"
Cyclone_Joker wrote:
draco1119 wrote:
Where do I find that?
It's a build type, no different from Mailman or Batman wizard.
Ok, so a domain-focused cleric is one that tries to get access to as many domains as possible? I can live with that.
Cyclone_Joker wrote:
draco1119 wrote:
I'll look into those. SS is Magic of Eberron, and Contemplative & SotMI are both CD, correct?
Faiths of Eberron, actually, unless I'm mistaken, but besides that yep.
Well... crap. I have MoE, but not Faiths. :huh:

Isn't there a class in Planar Handbook (or Manual of the Planes?) that also grants access to an extra domain? Also, is there a domain that allows access to the wizard/sorcerer list?
Author:  Cyclone_Joker [ Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: "Caster"
draco1119 wrote:
Ok, so a domain-focused cleric is one that tries to get access to as many domains as possible? I can live with that.
No, it's one that tries to access as many good domains as possible.
draco1119 wrote:
Well... crap. I have MoE, but not Faiths. :huh:
The interwebz is your friend.
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Isn't there a class in Planar Handbook (or Manual of the Planes?) that also grants access to an extra domain?
If there is, it sucks. The alignment and element domains are almost universally terrible.
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Also, is there a domain that allows access to the wizard/sorcerer list?
Sort of. Divine Magician, from Complete Mage. Lose a domain, get some wizard spells from limited schools. It's a pretty good deal a lot of the time.
Author:  draco1119 [ Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: "Caster"
Cyclone_Joker wrote:
draco1119 wrote:
Ok, so a domain-focused cleric is one that tries to get access to as many domains as possible? I can live with that.
No, it's one that tries to access as many good domains as possible.
Ok, so assume Corellon, since I like SotMi (at least the first 5 levels!). His domains are Chaos, Good, Magic, Protection, War, Community, Creation, Divination, Elf, Exorcism, Glory, Mind, Mysticism, Summoning

Which ones are the good ones? I assume that Knowledge (from Cloistered) and Travel (from SotMI) are going to be traded for Devotions, right?
Cyclone_Joker wrote:
draco1119 wrote:
Isn't there a class in Planar Handbook (or Manual of the Planes?) that also grants access to an extra domain?
If there is, it sucks. The alignment and element domains are almost universally terrible.
It grants an extra domain from your allowed list, not alignment or element.
Cyclone_Joker wrote:
draco1119 wrote:
Also, is there a domain that allows access to the wizard/sorcerer list?
Sort of. Divine Magician, from Complete Mage. Lose a domain, get some wizard spells from limited schools. It's a pretty good deal a lot of the time.
Sweet!
Author:  Cyclone_Joker [ Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: "Caster"
draco1119 wrote:
Ok, so assume Corellon, since I like SotMi (at least the first 5 levels!).
Corellon is entirely disconnected from SotMI.
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His domains are Chaos, Good, Magic, Protection, War, Community, Creation, Divination, Elf, Exorcism, Glory, Mind, Mysticism, Summoning

Which ones are the good ones?
Protection is okay, although it's Devotion is pretty good, IIRC, War is pretty bad but the real draw is the Holy Warrior feat, which is hella kickass, Creation is okay, Elf is for the bonus feat, that's all that needs to be said, Glory depends entirely on your campaign, Mind is pretty good, and I didn't think Corellon got Summoner, but it's quite a good domain. Oh, and Magic is so good I don't think I need to go much further.

That said, I really don't like Corellon.
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I assume that Knowledge (from Cloistered) and Travel (from SotMI) are going to be traded for Devotions, right?
Knowledge? Yeah, the domain kinda sucks, but Travel? I personally like the Travel Domain. The amazing spell list and very good power generally means I value it far more than the Devotion.
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It grants an extra domain from your allowed list, not alignment or element.
Oh, yeah, that class. It sucks. You're a Sovereign Speaker if you're doing this right, and they'll have all the domains you'll need and then some. You can't afford the CL loss like that. I mean, that class has some uses, sure, but it's dramatically inferior to most other domain PrCs. Go Contemplative instead.
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