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Which do you use for gaming?
Playstation 11%  11%  [ 6 ]
Xbox 360 14%  14%  [ 8 ]
Wii 18%  18%  [ 10 ]
PS Vita 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
3DS 16%  16%  [ 9 ]
PC / Mac / Linux 41%  41%  [ 23 ]
Total votes : 56
Total voters : 27
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 Post subject: Re: Consoles
PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:25 am 
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No, there are a lot of other reasons that make it a horrible game.

Okay, so why then?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:58 am 
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squinty_eyes wrote:
Okay, so why then?

The game is not challenging even when Monster Power is set to 10.
The new art direction is not one to be admired.
The story is bland.
Despite modern innovations, there is no aesthetic character customization to found.
The "skill system" is not a proper system at all and does not encourage creativity nor is it rewarding nor does it encourage creating multiple characters.
In fact, outside of non-rewarding achievements, there is no reason to create more than one character for each class.
The gear system is flawed.
The combat system is flawed.
The potion system was a poor choice.
The Auction House is debilitating to the overall quality of the game (yes, I know this is being removed).
The crafting system is bad and largely nothing more than an incredibly lazy gold sink.
Gems, if it were possible, are even more bland than any comparable game including its predecessor.

Etc. All that cal. The only thing that Diablo 3 actually got right were the cinematics.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:27 pm 
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For ease, I'm chopping it up into sections I agrew with and disagree with for conversation. First, the things I disagree with:
iamajellydonut wrote:
The game is not challenging even when Monster Power is set to 10.
The new art direction is not one to be admired.
The story is bland.
The gear system is flawed.
The combat system is flawed.
The potion system was a poor choice.
The Auction House is debilitating to the overall quality of the game (yes, I know this is being removed).
Gems, if it were possible, are even more bland than any comparable game including its predecessor.

I found the game to be challenging at Inferno by myself, maybe because I wasn't using the Auction House, but it was pretty hard for me to get through it.
I don't mind the new art style, even though it's closer to World of Warcraft, I actually enjoy the fact that Blizzard has something of a brand identity with their products. It's not all perfectly in line with a single style, but it's pretty close and I like that.
The story I found to be pretty fun. You got to run around with Tyriel, Cain dies, there's betrayal and zones like the Heavens that we never got before.
The gear system is virtually the same as every other time with Diablo, so what's flawed?
The combat system isn't perfect, I think they intended for more crowds of enemies for you to clear out, but it's not bad.
The potions aren't great since you have to wait to drink again, but aside from that it's the same as before, plus heath orbs.
The Auction House to me simply replaced bots farming gear, so I don't mind it at all.
The gems seemed a lot the same except you could craft them even higher, which wasn't great since it got expensive, but it could be a lot worse.
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Despite modern innovations, there is no aesthetic character customization to found.
The "skill system" is not a proper system at all and does not encourage creativity nor is it rewarding nor does it encourage creating multiple characters.
In fact, outside of non-rewarding achievements, there is no reason to create more than one character for each class.
The crafting system is bad and largely nothing more than an incredibly lazy gold sink.

I mostly agree with these, though I don't find most of them to be a far step down from Diablo 2.
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Etc. All that cal. The only thing that Diablo 3 actually got right were the cinematics.

I separated this since I agree the cinematics were great, but I don't think it was the only thing they got right.

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I found the game to be challenging at Inferno by myself, maybe because I wasn't using the Auction House, but it was pretty hard for me to get through it.
I don't mind the new art style, even though it's closer to World of Warcraft, I actually enjoy the fact that Blizzard has something of a brand identity with their products. It's not all perfectly in line with a single style, but it's pretty close and I like that.
The story I found to be pretty fun. You got to run around with Tyriel, Cain dies, there's betrayal and zones like the Heavens that we never got before.
The gear system is virtually the same as every other time with Diablo, so what's flawed?
The combat system isn't perfect, I think they intended for more crowds of enemies for you to clear out, but it's not bad.
The potions aren't great since you have to wait to drink again, but aside from that it's the same as before, plus heath orbs.
The Auction House to me simply replaced bots farming gear, so I don't mind it at all.
The gems seemed a lot the same except you could craft them even higher, which wasn't great since it got expensive, but it could be a lot worse.

Because you're bad.
Just because it's something of a brand identity doesn't make it a good one. Few people in this world want to run around looking like circus clowns in a gritty, hell on earth world.
That is a list of events that alone with an overtone of "Yer a nephilim, hero!" do not constitute an gripping or enjoyable story.
The "virtually the same" is not "the same".
The combat system is bad.
The potion system is bad.
Your lack of empathy does not save it from being bad.
The only "uniqueness" of gems is if you shove one into your helm, and none of the flat properties are worth a hell of a lot. Also, the crafting system regarding gems changed from simply being a crafting system to being almost strictly a gold-sink.

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The only gripe I have with D3, even though I haven't played it yet, is the art direction. I liked the grim, old-gothic style of Diablo 2. I loved Diablo 2 in general.

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It's surprising to me that the Xbox 360 is losing out to the Wii in the polls right now... I have both, and I really don't like my Wii.

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It's surprising to me that the Xbox 360 is losing out to the Wii in the polls right now... I have both, and I really don't like my Wii.

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This is a good post and I'm glad you made it.

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Gehennah, true kings of poseur-slaying wrote:
Suddenly she stood there close to me, a woman too grotesque to even be
I felt quite dim but I was still aware, that I was too drunk to see or care
I said "Baby, metal is what I need; not some bloody ***** to feed"
She looked at me with stupid eyes, then I gave her my advice

"Piss off, I'm drinking! Piss off, or die!
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I only own a pc and an xbox 360 and a wii, but I only play the 360 and my pc...I enjoy playing skyrim and other games on the 360 and use my pc for games like Civ V and WoW.

What ever happened to the defining how bad a game was by going "Do you enjoy it?" "yes" then it's a good game. "no" then it's a bad game :confused:

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What ever happened to the defining how bad a game was by going "Do you enjoy it?" "yes" then it's a good game. "no" then it's a bad game :confused:

It has become paramount to define good and bad by sales numbers and/or review ratings.
It saddens me too.

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GobO_Stormageddon wrote:
What ever happened to the defining how bad a game was by going "Do you enjoy it?" "yes" then it's a good game. "no" then it's a bad game :confused:

I haven't even played Diablo 3, and I was defending it just earlier...

but did you even look at that image? After looking at that... I sorta want no part of D3 anymore.

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Suddenly she stood there close to me, a woman too grotesque to even be
I felt quite dim but I was still aware, that I was too drunk to see or care
I said "Baby, metal is what I need; not some bloody ***** to feed"
She looked at me with stupid eyes, then I gave her my advice

"Piss off, I'm drinking! Piss off, or die!
Piss off, I'm drinking! Piss off, or die!"


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GobO_Stormageddon wrote:
What ever happened to the defining how bad a game was by going "Do you enjoy it?" "yes" then it's a good game. "no" then it's a bad game :confused:

It has become paramount to define good and bad by sales numbers and/or review ratings.
It saddens me too.


If it has good sales I probably won't enjoy it.

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If it has good sales I probably won't enjoy it.

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Suddenly she stood there close to me, a woman too grotesque to even be
I felt quite dim but I was still aware, that I was too drunk to see or care
I said "Baby, metal is what I need; not some bloody ***** to feed"
She looked at me with stupid eyes, then I gave her my advice

"Piss off, I'm drinking! Piss off, or die!
Piss off, I'm drinking! Piss off, or die!"


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No he didn't. Most games with good sales are the things we've been seeing for 10 years.

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Sounds like you don't like things because they're popular

and we all know you're too cool for popular

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Suddenly she stood there close to me, a woman too grotesque to even be
I felt quite dim but I was still aware, that I was too drunk to see or care
I said "Baby, metal is what I need; not some bloody ***** to feed"
She looked at me with stupid eyes, then I gave her my advice

"Piss off, I'm drinking! Piss off, or die!
Piss off, I'm drinking! Piss off, or die!"


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most games made to sell to the everyday video game playing person are bad


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