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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:58 pm 
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Greetings, dear friends.

Below you will find a new story, by the good Barinellos and yours truly, titled simply: "The Fire." This story continues the tale of Beryl and Alessa, so, if you have not read the previous installments in that series, I would encourage you to do so first.

I have so, so much that I want to say about this story in particular, and the larger storyline in general. But that's another topic for another day. For now, I just want to say "thank you" to Barinellos for all his work on this piece, and to get off the stage. There will be time for my reflections later.

As ever, any thoughts, criticisms, or suggestions you might have are deeply appreciated.

And, as ever, thank you so much to everyone who reads this story, or any other Beryl story. That's what keeps me going, even when the going is tough.

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The Fire (continued)

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The Fire (continued)

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:37 am 
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What great timing, I had just caught up with this story arc earlier today and I gotta say,

Wow, just wow. This is an emotional roller coaster from start to finish. Things were finally looking up for Beryl! Why'd you have to do that :cry:


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 11:44 am 
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Thanks so much for reading, Trolljuju!

I'm really excited -- and, for that matter, honored! -- that you read through Beryl's backstory, too. I know I've been piling it up at a somewhat fearsome rate, so that's a lot of catching up you did. If you ever have any thoughts about some of the prior stories, or just about Beryl in general, I would be delighted to hear them.

As for this story:

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:39 pm 
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Thanks so much for reading, Trolljuju!

I'm really excited -- and, for that matter, honored! -- that you read through Beryl's backstory, too. I know I've been piling it up at a somewhat fearsome rate, so that's a lot of catching up you did. If you ever have any thoughts about some of the prior stories, or just about Beryl in general, I would be delighted to hear them.


It's an honor to be able read such excellent work! :bow:

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:07 pm 
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Ahahaha, yes, I've been waiting for this one. Excellent.

OL, I'll PM you the majority of my thoughts when I have the time, especialy since I have to get back to you on a BUNCH of other stuff, but let me just say here that my expectations were exceeded and I absolutely LOVED this. Very well done - but then, I really shouldn't be surprised. :D

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I do wonder about her relationship with Aloise. It seems like it's probably one sided? Aloise helped her just because she helps everybody, but Beryl seems to have put her on a pedestal. If you get what I mean? I think I might see even more heartbreak in Beryl's future.


Beryl certainly has a hard time of it at the moment, but I'd really like to talk about this for a bit. Bear with me, this might take a second.

See, a lot of my friends and family watch the TV show Supernatural. I can't stand the show, personally, although I think it works better as a comedy then a suspense/thriller... thing. I've seen my fair share of episodes, and personally, I CANNOT stand Dean. If you've never seen the show, Dean is the older brother and he's ALWAYS RIGHT. ALWAYS. He holds a position of moral superiority over literally everyone in the show. When he doesn't do something that seems obviously good, he's vindicated an episode later. When he does something evil, he's absolved almost immediately because it was "necessary". And this isn't via any sort of direct writing. It's just the way the show morphs around his character. And frankly, it's ridiculous, because Dean is a pretty classic example of the white dudebro, and is pretty much just a caricature at this point.

...In my opinion.

THAT BEING SAID, one of the reasons I love Aloise is the very same reason I hate Dean - She holds a position of moral superiority. Aloise is by no means perfect, but then, I don't write her like she is. Where Dean's moral superiority comes from cynicism and mistrust, Aloise just believes in everyone. She really, truly thinks that people can better themselves through learning, and by helping each other. This is her core, this is her entire being, and we see time and time again exactly HOW this shines through, how natural it is for her to lift up a dampened spirit, dry them off, and give them soft clothes and a warm place to go to.

What I'm getting at here is that Aloise is very much the sort of person that Beryl wishes everyone could be. More importantly, Aloise is the sort of person Beryl wishes she could be. It's understandable that Beryl thinks so highly of her.

As for the pedestal, and whether or not it will come crashing down and break poor Beryl's heart? To be honest, I'm fairly certain Aloise is incapable of breaking ANYONE'S heart, let alone Beryl's. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see. :)

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:15 pm 
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I should be able to read this today, hopefully within the next few hours. I'll get back to you on that, but I'm excited to see what you've got here!


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Exceedingly excellent, Orcish! I sort of feel like I should stop there, because anything more might cheapen the sentiment. This was, absolutely, very, very good.

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Ahahaha, yes, I've been waiting for this one. Excellent.

OL, I'll PM you the majority of my thoughts when I have the time, especialy since I have to get back to you on a BUNCH of other stuff, but let me just say here that my expectations were exceeded and I absolutely LOVED this. Very well done - but then, I really shouldn't be surprised. :D

Hey, I worked on it too... throw the message my way too?
(I mean, I haven't wanted to steal any of Orcish's spotlight here, but I did my fair share...)

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Trolljuju wrote:
It's an honor to be able read such excellent work!

That is exceedingly kind of you, sir -- I'm delighted that you've enjoyed the stories!

And I would be remiss if I didn't also take a moment here to note the contributions that other people have made to so many of these Beryl pieces. Barinellos, Raven, and Ruwin have all been amazing collaborators along the way, providing characters and ideas and wonderful writing. And I'm deeply indebted to everyone who has taken the time to share their feedback on any of the stories -- I've learned so much just from hearing what everyone has had to say.


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I do wonder about her relationship with Aloise. It seems like it's probably one sided? Aloise helped her just because she helps everybody, but Beryl seems to have put her on a pedestal. If you get what I mean? I think I might see even more heartbreak in Beryl's future.

I do get what you mean. I think Beryl absolutely has Aloise on a pedestal. I wouldn't necessarily say that she idealizes Aloise, because I think that Aloise is pretty genuinely wonderful. But Aloise definitely has a sort of aura of perfection around her in Beryl's mind, which probably makes her seem somewhat unobtainable as well. I think there is a real sort of fear in the back of Beryl's imagination that, if she ever did get too close to Aloise, she'd somehow be sullying Aloise with her own imperfections. And I think that's just another one of the fears which makes Beryl feel like she has to keep her distance from Aloise, no matter how much she might love her. There's that horrible tug-of-war which goes on in Beryl's mind wherever Aloise is concerned. On the one side, Beryl loves her, heart and soul. On the other side, she's terrified of what the implications of that might be -- for herself, sure, but even more so for Aloise.

And, to this point, it's really difficult to surmise how Aloise feels about any of this. We've seen her be very kind and very loving to Beryl. But, like you pointed out, that's just who Aloise is, so it's unclear what exactly any of that means. And we've really only seen Beryl's POV on Aloise. We haven't yet seen Aloise's POV on the matter.

Of course, Beryl isn't doing herself any favors in that regard, unless she can find the courage and self-confidence to just put the question to Aloise. As Alessa pointed out, the way to find out is to ask.


OL, I'll PM you the majority of my thoughts when I have the time, especialy since I have to get back to you on a BUNCH of other stuff, but let me just say here that my expectations were exceeded and I absolutely LOVED this. Very well done - but then, I really shouldn't be surprised.

Thank so much for reading, Ruwin, and for the very kind words! I'm glad you enjoyed the story!


As for the pedestal, and whether or not it will come crashing down and break poor Beryl's heart? To be honest, I'm fairly certain Aloise is incapable of breaking ANYONE'S heart, let alone Beryl's. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see.

If Beryl ever did confess her love to Aloise, and if it became clear that Aloise didn't reciprocate, then I suspect that would feel like the gut punch to end all gut punches. But, to Ruwin's point, I'm also sure that Aloise would handle the situation with as much tact and compassion as is possible in a moment like that.

And, the thing is, I think that, the next day, Beryl would be back, and she'd be asking: Well, then, is there anyone you do like? And, if the answer was affirmative, I think she'd be doing her damndest to set Aloise up with that person, because Beryl desperately wants Aloise to be happy. She wants that for Aloise almost more than she wants it for herself.

I forget the context in which I mentioned this elsewhere, but I can totally picture Beryl as the maid of honor at Aloise's wedding. I can picture Beryl locking herself in a closet an hour before the ceremony, and crying her eyes out about the fact that she isn't the one. Then I can imagine her wiping away the tears, putting on her game face, and getting out there and trying to make Aloise's big day as magical and memorable as possible, and being genuinely happy to do it.

I think the one thing that would break Beryl's heart would be if she hurt Aloise, somehow. That's the sort of thing which I think Beryl would have a very, very hard time recovering from.


Exceedingly excellent, Orcish! I sort of feel like I should stop there, because anything more might cheapen the sentiment. This was, absolutely, very, very good.

Thanks so much for reading, Raven, and for the very kind words!

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Alright, I'm rested-up, and heavily caffeinated, and ready to rumble!

When last we left our sleep-challenged scribbler, he was pondering a wide-ranging -- and, for that matter, very flattering -- comment which Raven made:

At some point, I would be VERY fascinated to hear what you think of Beryl's story arch now as compared to last November when you first blessed us with your presence (truth, no sarcasm) and posted the first draft of "Small Magic." I'm really interested to hear about what, if anything, has changed about your intentions/expectations/thoughts on Beryl in that time!

Now that I have a little bit of time, I do want to try to reflect on all that a little bit. I have a couple of reasons for doing so, the main one of which is that it gives me the chance to offer some of the thanks which I really wish I had included in my first post on this thread, but which I skipped past at the time for fear of talking people to death before they even got to the actual, you know, story and such. So, hopefully I can make up for that now.

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@Orcish: Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought... :paranoid:

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 12:04 am 
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Also, Orcish, I completely understand what you mean when you talk about your feelings at seeing the end of the arch. It sounds very similar to what I was feeling when WotW wrapped up. That felt weird.

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#thatfeltweird

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Now if you'll excuse me, it's raining on my face again (and those hammers really smart!)

Oddly enough, I feel like it's starting to rain here, too...

I mean, what are the odds?


There's a hardware front moving across the continental US, so... pretty good.

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It is so, so cool and gratifying to me that this could turn into a space where something like this level of collaboration was possible. I mean wow.

(Also I need to read the story before this and then I'll read this story. I'm so behind.)


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It is so, so cool and gratifying to me that this could turn into a space where something like this level of collaboration was possible. I mean wow.

I know, right? How cool is that? And this is just one example. Look at WotW! Look at Jakkard!

(Also I need to read the story before this and then I'll read this story. I'm so behind.)

Don't worry about it, my friend. When and if you read them, I will be very interested to hear your thoughts. But you're certainly under no obligation, and there's no rush.

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Yeah, I know, I do want to read it though. :) I feel ready to do so now. So that's good.

Barinellos remarked to me the other day that we've learned a lot from the early days... I think if this had been attempted early on we would've pushed for this to be a full novel right from the outset which would have been overwhelming and not as good :P as you found. Whereas now there's a lot more emphasis on collaboration and different people doing individual stories and the narratives shifting around in a flexible way, and I think that actually makes it a little easier to produce?

Like I know I got overwhelmed just at the thought of pre-planning a whole arc of stories with Kirsh and Sri Hara early on and basically dumped the project, and I think Juju and Beast got a little overwhelmed with the prospect of the huge Lich War story. And Jakkard grew very organically whereas Sertaria was more rigidly laid out as like World Design ---> Story Gathering ----> RP which obviously did not work either. I mean obviously Raven's a glaring exception to this but generally speaking I feel like there's a big change in how we run things.

Though I don't want to downplay the fact that we've got a really, really awesome team now, between the return of old M:EMbers to the fold and the new folks we've attracted. I mean we're all busy so things are a little slow but we've got a lot of people rotating in periodically which is fantastic.


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Yeah, I know, I do want to read it though. :) I feel ready to do so now. So that's good.

See, now that's the sort of thing which makes my day. :)


I mean obviously Raven's a glaring exception to this but generally speaking I feel like there's a big change in how we run things.

Raven is made of sterner stuff than I, that's for darn sure.

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Ok so I'm caught up with this and wow what an achievement. I don't have time right now to give a full response but really, congratulations OL and Barinellos for producing an amazing work. And congratulations to everyone who participated in this storyline.

This is excellent.


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