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PostPosted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:45 pm 
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Ahoy, mateys!

I was strolling along the shore the other day, when what should happen to wash up on the sands next to my feet, but a bottle with a message inside it. I pulled the bottle's cork and extracted its contents, unrolling the little ditty you'll find below.

It's a new Gale story, by Raven and yours truly, titled: "Here, There Be Monsters."

(Okay, okay... so the reality here is a little more prosaic. Replace "message in a bottle" with "a PM from Raven," and you'll have something closer to the truth. But, still, one attempts to set the mood, from time to time.)

Anyway, as ever, your thoughts, comments, and suggestions are most welcome. And, as ever, I very much hope you will enjoy the story.

And, although we don't have a salute smiley (as I believe Ruwin once tragically observed), try to imagine that I'm currently offering a big salute -- and a big "thank you!" -- to Raven, for his wonderful writing in this piece, as well as his innumerable contributions to the whole voyage.

Here, There Be Monsters

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:16 pm 
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I will withhold my comments on this piece for the time being, except to say that, as always, it was fun to write and fun to work with Orcish. I will add to Orcish's my own hope that everyone enjoys this story as we did, and I would also reciprocate the thanks back to Orcish for his considerable part in this!


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:18 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:44 am 
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It has a poem, people! A poem!

In all seriousness, any comments or criticisms anyone might have would be very much appreciated. I'd like to send this up for a vote at some point in the not-so-distant future, but I don't want to do that if people need more time to read it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:48 am 
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...in the not-so-distant future

Next Sunday, A.D.?


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:20 am 
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...in the not-so-distant future

Next Sunday, A.D.?

Mrs. OL and I used to have a running argument over that line. I always sang it as "Next someday, A.D."

Then, after literally years of disagreement, we remembered that the Googles is a thing that exists, and we confirmed that -- as always -- Mrs. OL was right.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:33 am 
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...in the not-so-distant future

Next Sunday, A.D.?

Mrs. OL and I used to have a running argument over that line. I always sang it as "Next someday, A.D."

Then, after literally years of disagreement, we remembered that the Googles is a thing that exists, and we confirmed that -- as always -- Mrs. OL was right.

During the KTMA days, they actually had the words "Next Sunday A.D." up on the screen. That helped me. Although I always heard it as "Next Sunday."

But don't feel badly. There are a ton of songs I've misheard and maintained that way. For example, you no that song "Invisible Touch" by Genesis? Yeah, for years I genuinely thought that song was not in English. I didn't know the name of it, just the tune, and it had these nonsensical words as lyrics, but they sounded enough like words in a foreign language (in my head) that I just assumed that's what it was. Then, of course, I heard it again, and felt really bad about myself...


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:26 pm 
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But don't feel badly. There are a ton of songs I've misheard and maintained that way. For example, you no that song "Invisible Touch" by Genesis? Yeah, for years I genuinely thought that song was not in English. I didn't know the name of it, just the tune, and it had these nonsensical words as lyrics, but they sounded enough like words in a foreign language (in my head) that I just assumed that's what it was. Then, of course, I heard it again, and felt really bad about myself...

Mrs. OL thought The Ramones were singing "I want a piece of date bread." :)

On the other hand, she knows all the words to "It's the End of the World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine)" -- which, as she likes to point out, puts her ahead of Michael Stipe.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:35 pm 
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But don't feel badly. There are a ton of songs I've misheard and maintained that way. For example, you no that song "Invisible Touch" by Genesis? Yeah, for years I genuinely thought that song was not in English. I didn't know the name of it, just the tune, and it had these nonsensical words as lyrics, but they sounded enough like words in a foreign language (in my head) that I just assumed that's what it was. Then, of course, I heard it again, and felt really bad about myself...

Mrs. OL thought The Ramones were singing "I want a piece of date bread." :)

On the other hand, she knows all the words to "It's the End of the World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine)" -- which, as she likes to point out, puts her ahead of Michael Stipe.

"Six o'clock, TV hour, don't get caught in foreign towers,
Slash and burn, return, listen to yourself churn!
Locking in, uniforming, book-burning, blood-letting!"

You know, Orcish, I liked your wife when the whole joke was that she was Jill St. John, and I find I like her more with every new factoid you let us know about her!

Congratulations!

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:47 pm 
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When that song comes on, I let her do the hard work, and I just supply the "time I had some time alone" part.

Mrs. OL is easily the best thing about me. :)

She likes to joke that other R.E.M. superfans look down on her, because she doesn't bother pretending not to like "Losing My Religion."

Me, I was more of a B-52s fan growing-up, so we've broadened each other's horizons.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:45 am 
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Ah I can't wait to read this second Gale story!

[reads story]

oh noooooo D:

(I'll have more to say tomorrow but right now I need sleep)


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Ok more thoughts!

I love the way Venn operates in this story. It's not just his main scheme, it's the fact that he precedes it with a much milder devilish temptation. He really is becoming the Old Scratch of our continuity and I really enjoy that dynamic.

There were moments when I really wasn't sure what choice Gale would make and I'm relieved she picked the one she did, even if it felt like a loss from her perspective. The story of the rescue was fantastic, a great little twice told tale.

One thing I'm curious about: has Gale just not been able to find any oceans close enough to her home ocean, or is it any oceans AT ALL? I mean the latter seems kind of implausible but I guess if she lands on places like Ikass where the folks who are landlocked have only minimal knowledge of the existence of oceans it kinda makes sense?


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You know, it's just like me to read this story the day it was posted and then totally convince myself that I commented on it when I, in fact, did not. Ahaha, yeah slowly losing my mind over here don't mind me.

As with all Raiker stories, I like him a little less as a person and a little more as a character. Carry on, you evil bastard.

Other than that, this was a very insightful look into Gale's personality and thought processes. I personally enjoy the attention that was paid to her criticism's of the captain and the boating industry in general. While I'm not expert on anything nautical, that I could sense Gale's professionalism simply by reading speaks volumes for the quality of writing/research that was put into this piece.

I echo Keeper's question about oceans - what makes Gale's ocean so special, out of curiosity? I'm interested to hear the response.

Anyway, this piece was excellent - high quality that we have come to expect from both Raven and OL. Thanks much for posting!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 7:27 pm 
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@Keeper and Ruwin: Thank you both very much for reading and commenting! I really appreciate it, especially knowing that both of you are pretty busy these days. So thank you both, and I'm really glad you liked it!

As for Raiker, all I can say is... hehehe :plot: (I gave him a little cape...)

Okay, I guess I could say a little more if I wanted to. I'm not going to get into who wrote what here (except to say that Gale's backstory was all Orcish, and it's fantastic, and the rest is more or less a mix), but I will say I was really happy with Raiker in this one. He's fantastically amoral and cruel, all while being his normal, charming self. It's sort of chilling how calmly he does the things he does. I also like that, unlike in "Breaking Form," Raiker sets himself up with a win-win situation here. In the Raleris/Jade story, Raiker actually wanted something. Here, this is just a heartless diversion, and even though Gale's choice is deeply meaningful and important to her, it doesn't really matter to Raiker, and there's something especially devilish in that, to me.

As far as Gale and the oceans go, I'll leave that question to Orcish. I have my suspicions, but he's the authority on that one.

Thanks again for reading!


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Hey, in fairness to Raiker's plan in Breaking Form, he did get a certain tiger off his back ;) so that was technically not win-lose, it was win-win more.

I feel like if you made a deck for Raiker it'd involve lots of Win More effects. It'd just be miiiserable to play against.


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Hey, in fairness to Raiker's plan in Breaking Form, he did get a certain tiger off his back ;) so that was technically not win-lose, it was win-win more.

I feel like if you made a deck for Raiker it'd involve lots of Win More effects. It'd just be miiiserable to play against.

It would probably have a lot of those "opponent chooses one: [bad effect; or, other bad effect] type of cards, too.


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Keeper and Ruwin, thanks to both of you for reading!

I'm pleased as punch that you enjoyed the story, and your comments, as ever, are thoughtful, and are very much appreciated.


I love the way Venn operates in this story. It's not just his main scheme, it's the fact that he precedes it with a much milder devilish temptation. He really is becoming the Old Scratch of our continuity and I really enjoy that dynamic.

Raiker does very good work in this story, by which I mean he does very bad work in this story. :)

Raven could have a career as a Hollywood producer, because he knew exactly the right way to pitch that part of the story to me.

Basically, his question to me was: "What is Gale's sense of morality like?" To which my response was: "I'm actually not totally sure about that."

Now, I couldn't actually see Raven rubbing his hands together at this point, because, you know, the Internet. But I assume that's what he was doing when he replied: "I bet I know a way to find out what her morality is like..."

And things developed pretty quickly from there.


There were moments when I really wasn't sure what choice Gale would make and I'm relieved she picked the one she did, even if it felt like a loss from her perspective.

I was similarly relieved.

The thing is, Gale wants one thing, and one thing only. And she wants it about as badly as it is possible to want something. And Raiker can offer her that thing. So she is sorely tempted. I didn't want to sugar coat that. And, when I tried to imagine how she would respond to this situation, my initial reaction was something like: "She would never do that. I mean, I hope she wouldn't do that. She wouldn't do that... right?" And I could close my eyes and imagine her going either way.

And the thing which eventually settled the matter inside my head was the same thought process she goes through. I started thinking about her marks, and I realized that there would be a mark on her world for people who had committed a betrayal. A black mark -- a special kind of dishonor. A fate worse than death, as she would put it. And I tried to close my eyes and imagine her with that mark, and I couldn't do it. And that was what closed the question for me.

But it was a real question, and, if that comes through here, then I'm happy about that.


The story of the rescue was fantastic, a great little twice told tale.

I'm glad you enjoyed that part. I hope that story-within-a-story, as it were, helps to color-in a little bit more about who she is, and why she's the sort of person you'd want looking out for you at sea -- and, for that matter, why she is not the sort of person you'd want to cross. And, given that Gale gets put through the emotional wringer a lot these days, it was nice to get a little glimpse of a happier moment in her life.


One thing I'm curious about: has Gale just not been able to find any oceans close enough to her home ocean, or is it any oceans AT ALL? I mean the latter seems kind of implausible but I guess if she lands on places like Ikass where the folks who are landlocked have only minimal knowledge of the existence of oceans it kinda makes sense?

At this point, since her initial 'walk, none of the worlds she has travelled to have had any oceans.

That being said, she has not travelled to many worlds at all. I confess to not having a specific number in mind, but I think it would be something you could count on one hand. To this point, she has been unlucky.

One of the things I have come to understand about Gale, and which makes her interesting to me, is that she has essentially no understanding of what planeswalking is, or how it works. Her experience of magic has, up until this point, been a very sensory, very musical experience, and one that's based on feeling and sensation rather than knowledge. And those experiences have all been tied to a specific manifestation of magical power/energy -- the oceans and winds of her homeworld, and how they sing to her. She's not someone who consciously tries to "cast a spell," although she can achieve spell-like effects through the way she interacts with the weather and the sea. And, as she notes at the end of this particular story, there's no knowledge of planeswalkers -- or even the existence of other planes -- within the culture she grew up in.

So, she doesn't really understand what is happening to her, or what has happened to her. All she knows is that she should have died, she should have drowned, but she didn't -- instead, she woke up on a different world. And, although she has 'walked maybe a few more times since then, I don't think she does it purposefully, and I don't think she understands what she does or how she does it. And the fact that she keeps landing on worlds where she feels cut off from the only manifestation of mana or magic she has an understanding of -- the wind and the waves, if you will -- probably isn't helping.

So, even though she's a 'walker, she hasn't been to very many worlds yet, and she has felt particularly vulnerable and displaced on those few worlds she has visited. Put simply, she's in a tough position, and her luck to this point has been rotten. There must be at least some ocean-less planes out there, and she keeps landing on them. It could be that she's just snakebit, or it could be that her kind of magical and spiritual disconnect from everything she knows and loves is also stacking the odds against her.

And something which working on this piece clarified for me is that she really does think of planeswalking as a curse. Planeswalking took her away from a home that she loved, and it has brought her to strange, alien places where she exists in misery. Compared to most other 'walkers, who come -- whether sooner or later -- to regard their spark as a gift, she genuinely views hers as a curse. She tells me that she would rather have drowned in the seas of her home than be doomed to live the life she lives now, and I've come to believe her. I used to chalk that up to hyperbole. Now, I'm not so sure. And that's something about her which intrigues me.

(One of the reasons I like Antine so much is that he also kind of fits into this mold, although we'll see how that might change going forward.)

She even views Raiker as cursed, at the same time that she's planning on carving a snake into his forehead. I don't think it occurs to her -- yet -- that other 'walkers might not regard their sparks in the same way that she does.

Anyway, I don't know if that answers your question? Or, for that matter, whether the answer is a satisfactory one?


You know, it's just like me to read this story the day it was posted and then totally convince myself that I commented on it when I, in fact, did not. Ahaha, yeah slowly losing my mind over here don't mind me.

Ruwin, I swear that I would lose my own head, if it weren't bolted to my neck. :)


Other than that, this was a very insightful look into Gale's personality and thought processes. I personally enjoy the attention that was paid to her criticism's of the captain and the boating industry in general. While I'm not expert on anything nautical, that I could sense Gale's professionalism simply by reading speaks volumes for the quality of writing/research that was put into this piece.

I am very glad that came through.

Now, I have to confess that I wouldn't know my focsle from my mizzenmast if I didn't look them up, so I may possibly have committed some nautical crimes here that would make a real sailor cringe. But I did my level best to try to get things correct to the best of my ability.

And, yeah, that was one of the big things about Gale which I was hoping would come through in this story. Namely, that she had this previous life, before she 'walked, where she was very, very good at what she did, and she took immense pleasure in doing it. Which I hoped would underscore why she wants so badly to get back to that life and, also, why this notion of a sailor's code, and what her marks say about her, would be important enough to her sense of self to explain why she wouldn't do what Raiker asked, even with how desperately she wants the reward he was offering.


I echo Keeper's question about oceans - what makes Gale's ocean so special, out of curiosity? I'm interested to hear the response.

Honestly, it's an open question at this point whether the oceans on her home world were special. It's possible that she might stumble on some other world which has seas -- proper seas, as she'd put it -- and that she'll discover that she has a similar connection to the wind and the waves on that world, that they sing to her, and she can sing back. But she hasn't had a chance to put that to the test, yet.

But I do suspect that there is something special in the bond she has with the seas she grew up with, although I don't know exactly what it would be. It might be something peculiar about that world. Just what that would be, though, I honestly don't know. Maybe there's something in the water, there. Maybe there's something in the mana, there. Maybe that something isn't in the oceans as much as it is inside Gale.

Again, I don't have the answer yet. But I'm looking forward to maybe finding out at some point in the future. :)


Anyway, this piece was excellent - high quality that we have come to expect from both Raven and OL. Thanks much for posting!

And thank you for reading, and the kind words!

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