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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:18 am 
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I... might regret this, but hell, you only live once. This is going to be difficult, no matter how I slice it.

"I"


So yeah. There you go.
I give you an Ooze planeswalker, complete with the freaking alien perspective.

Below is an explanation of how it functions and thinks.

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This is a really cool planeswalker. You actually did a serious take on the "ooze goes around eating everything" idea, which tickles me to no end.

If you're looking for suggestions for its name, I think Ai is the nicest rendition. It means "love" in various Asian languages.

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I'm really, really into this. The tactility in particular is interesting for me because I'm working on a story involving a character that would be very tactile but is afflicted with a condition that dulls their sense of touch... it just makes for an interesting coincidental contrast. This was a bit of a puzzle to work out but always an engaging puzzle.

It's a little hard to get a sense of where one would go with this character, but I kind of like that challenge. It's another character, like several of the more recent additions to our roster, that has sort of an odd place and really pushes the boundaries of what we can do with Magic fiction specifically and fantasy in general maybe.

Ooze World sounds awesome, and it reminds me of something that comes up in The Long Earth, which I highly recommend reading to anyone that hasn't heard of it...


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Yeah, this was cool. Very well done with a challenging criteria you gave yourself. I really enjoyed the progression of awareness that "I" has through this piece as it consumes more and more things. Morbidly, I sort of want it to consume a god at some point...

I still think we'll have to have Thuzez meet up with "I" at some point...


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 Post subject: Re: [story] I
PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:34 pm 
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Barinellos wrote:
I... might regret this, but hell, you only live once.

Unless you have boneitis, you have nothing to regret.

Funny how you never realize that your life is missing an ooze planeswalker until you read about one. Then you can't understand how you ever lived without it.

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This is a really cool planeswalker. You actually did a serious take on the "ooze goes around eating everything" idea, which tickles me to no end.

If you're looking for suggestions for its name, I think Ai is the nicest rendition. It means "love" in various Asian languages.
Glad that you dig it. I've been struggling with this idea for weeks now, so seeing a positive reaction helps.
As to Ai, it's a decent suggestion. It's still a little early for me to make any decision, but it's a decent possibility.
I'm really, really into this. It's a little hard to get a sense of where one would go with this character, but I kind of like that challenge. It's another character, like several of the more recent additions to our roster, that has sort of an odd place and really pushes the boundaries of what we can do with Magic fiction specifically and fantasy in general maybe.

Ooze World sounds awesome, and it reminds me of something that comes up in The Long Earth, which I highly recommend reading to anyone that hasn't heard of it...
Well, one of the big reasons I decided to do this was the fact that we had a definite deficit of green walkers, and I wanted to see if I could hit a note that could be simultaneously sympathetic and possibly villainous. I mean, the alien perspective is one of the more useful features for the character. Plus, the idea that it consumes to learn is amusing to me.

Another thing that I like about this ascension is that the emotions were second hand. We... don't actually know what happened, and I feel like that kind of mystery has a lot of potential.
Yeah, this was cool. Very well done with a challenging criteria you gave yourself. I really enjoyed the progression of awareness that "I" has through this piece as it consumes more and more things. Morbidly, I sort of want it to consume a god at some point...

I still think we'll have to have Thuzez meet up with "I" at some point...
I don't have any clue how that sort of thing would happen, but I won't lie that I like the idea that afterwards all this glittery star stuff would be suspended in its goo.

And if you want to write that encounter, I won't stand in your way!

Funny how you never realize that your life is missing an ooze planeswalker until you read about one. Then you can't understand how you ever lived without it.
Yes, embrace his gooey love.
.... that came out wrong.

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*gurgle bubble gurgle*

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So, I'm looking over this once more, and I have to admit that I'm a bit conflicted about I's sense of self and the use of pronouns like "me" mostly because... well, I don't know if the way the ooze minds work would really account for reflexive pronouns.
It's very similar in concept to the thoughtweft or soulsong, and since that's the case, the self of sense would indicate oneself without words.

It's something of a conundrum...

Also, since Aaarrrgh brought up Ellia, I'm sure she'd be fascinated with I.

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Alright, time to go on my weekly posting spree! We'll start with the ooze.

I like it, simply because of how kooky it is. The story is engaging, if a little difficult to follow. That's probably to be expected, however.

My main concern is whether or not Oozes can be planeswalkers in the first place.

Granted, this appears to hit all the criteria - except that of actually being "born". I may need additional clarification, but from what I've read, "I" appears to have sprung fully formed (or perhaps divided) from the giant primordial soup that is I's homeplane. Now, I'm no expert, and since Barinellos made the character I'm willing to trust him. Rather than doing so blindly, however, it would probably be beneficial to actually discuss whether or not this is possible, rather than taking it at face value.

Mainly what comes to mind is that this ooze planeswalker seems more primal and elemental than most of what we usually consider for planeswalkerhood. There are exceptions, of course, and really, I'm all for expanding the list of what can and can't be a planeswalker - it's just that with our normally strict adherence to the nature of the multiverse, we should be looking at this sort of stuff more critically than we have been.

That all being said, this sort of alien mindset is the sort of thing the EM could benefit from, I'm just not certain if it falls within the constraints we've set up for ourselves. I, for one, do not believe that (at the beginning of this story) "I" has enough sense of self in order to develop the spark. I also don't think there was any sort of explanation as to why the spark ignited in the first place. Usually the ignition is triggered by some profound event or trauma, and as far as I could tell, "I" was just chilling in the primordial soup of his home plane, then stuff happened, and he wasn't there any more.

Anyway, the story was engaging and the character is definitely interesting. But we should probably talk about the metaphysics of this process before this goes up for vote or anything like that.

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Granted, this appears to hit all the criteria - except that of actually being "born". I may need additional clarification, but from what I've read, "I" appears to have sprung fully formed (or perhaps divided) from the giant primordial soup that is I's homeplane. Now, I'm no expert, and since Barinellos made the character I'm willing to trust him. Rather than doing so blindly, however, it would probably be beneficial to actually discuss whether or not this is possible, rather than taking it at face value.
That would be where the core of the character comes in. Literally, the pearl that makes up I's actual body. It did divide from a parent, but it had all the stages of development as it grew. The soup isn't actually I, but more like... an organic tool? That which we would identify as the ooze isn't I.
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Mainly what comes to mind is that this ooze planeswalker seems more primal and elemental than most of what we usually consider for planeswalkerhood. There are exceptions, of course, and really, I'm all for expanding the list of what can and can't be a planeswalker - it's just that with our normally strict adherence to the nature of the multiverse, we should be looking at this sort of stuff more critically than we have been.
The oozes of I's homeworld are certainly not your average oozes. They have a society, if albeit one that is very strange to us.
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I, for one, do not believe that (at the beginning of this story) "I" has enough sense of self in order to develop the spark. I also don't think there was any sort of explanation as to why the spark ignited in the first place. Usually the ignition is triggered by some profound event or trauma, and as far as I could tell, "I" was just chilling in the primordial soup of his home plane, then stuff happened, and he wasn't there any more.
One does not develop a spark. I mean, I know you know that, but I felt I just had to state it. But yes, I has a sense of self and individuality, but the entire world is networked. I is just one node in that intelligence, but it is distinct from its parents or neighbors. They share sensation and thoughts, but it's just a more fluid way of communication.
To draw a comparison and rebuttal, it would be like saying that just because we could talk to each other, we lose our sense of self.
As to its spark ignition, that was actually very much on purpose. It's second hand panic (great band name) that triggered the spark. Like if a cow was caught in a stampede, but didn't know why they were running, just that the emotions of everything around them was significant enough to trigger your own panic.
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Anyway, the story was engaging and the character is definitely interesting. But we should probably talk about the metaphysics of this process before this goes up for vote or anything like that.
Hopefully I've answered all required.

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 Post subject: Re: [story] I
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For the record, I didn't understand that it was second hand panic that caused Ei to ascend. I just assumed we didn't see whatever happened... happen, but that it happened to Ei directly.

So what I'm getting from this is that calling Ei an ooze proper might be something of a misnomer? The ooze part of Ei is more like a biological prosthesis generated by the core, which isn't the same biological entity as an ooze on another plane might be? (Not saying we should stop calling Ei an ooze, just sussing out the details of Ei's biology for myself a bit.)


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For the record, I didn't understand that it was second hand panic that caused Ei to ascend. I just assumed we didn't see whatever happened... happen, but that it happened to Ei directly.
Well, it really happened to pretty much EVERYTHING on the world.
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So what I'm getting from this is that calling Ei an ooze proper might be something of a misnomer? The ooze part of Ei is more like a biological prosthesis generated by the core, which isn't the same biological entity as an ooze on another plane might be? (Not saying we should stop calling Ei an ooze, just sussing out the details of Ei's biology for myself a bit.)
Well, the ooze part is essentially mindless without the core's guiding impulses, so the ooze part is a lot like the oozes of other planes.
Which raises the question of what would happen if you dumped Ei into another ooze's body.
but really, yeah, there's a separation of Ei's identity from its "body".

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So, what is Aye's core like? Is it solid? Is it a goo of a slightly different density? Or is it physically indistinguishable from the ooze he creates?


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So, what is Aye's core like? Is it solid? Is it a goo of a slightly different density? Or is it physically indistinguishable from the ooze he creates?

It's like a fist sized pearl. Haven't decided on the color yet though...

For full disclosure too, Aye generates ooze by use of mana, while the core itself requires actual matter to grow larger. Core growth though is a very very slow process.

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You know, I'm tempted to have I make a trip to Theros solely so he can have a glittery ooze star body....

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This piece really starts out beautifully!

I enjoy how the imagery was all, and then slowly balanced with plot to morph from fairly abstract, to a clear story. It really feels like incubation/growth/maturation.

It makes for an interesting and exciting read to witness I's plight.

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Huh, I've never thought of an Ooze Walker, sounds interesting. Only thing currently I have to bring up is what relation I(t) might have with other oozes, and about his home plane/entity: A) if it's all Ooze, just that imply that all the mana on that plane is already in living form? B) Is the Slimey Plane segmented by colored Ooze? Aka is I(t) made from the plane's goobody as a :g: Ooze from a multicolor planar ooze? C) is the world ooze an ooze in any relayed way to the source of other oozes? Ex: Is it made from things the way Bloodhall Ooze or Necroplasm are implied to be? or is this Progenitooze a pure ooze in a way no other ooze can be? I'm aware we're focusing on the character, but since its plane of origin is very particular, I figured the plane should be questioned a little.

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I know that I'm late to the party and I don't vote anymore, but I want to express my happiness with this bizarre person/thing. You did a great job conveying the alien perceptions and personality. It reminds me of both the Changelings in Star Trek and the changelings on Lorwyn.

I share Planechaser's questions, however. I want to know more! Is it proper to call I's species "ooze"? What should we refer to its world as?

Regarding planeswalker colors and deficits thereof, when I add up all the ones with dossiers in the archives (except the private Molcru and Jarik) and those recently voted in (including I), plus Agmund Frijern, Cara Holis, Raef, the Duchess, and the Shifter, I get this [running] total:
: 17 primary, 1 splash
: 16 primary, 2 splash
: 13 primary, 1 splash
: 11 primary, 1 splash
: 10 primary, 2 splash
human: ~21
nonhuman: 15
part-human or undead: ~4

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Huh, how did red and black fall so far behind?

Blue and white still dominate I see.


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I feel sorry for I's loneliness, especially when it realizes that it can't really return home because it has changed too much and would frighten its people. When I first started reading I worried that it would be too similar to Mari Gwynn, but it's really a very, very different character from anyone else.

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