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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:52 am 
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Oh my god, I can't believe I finished it.

Here we are - my first major installment in what is sure to be a grand storyline featuring Kimberley getting into trouble while Jinsen tries to walk her down the path of enlightenment!

This is a very long piece - 37 pages on google docs - and I'm sorry about that, but I hope you all enjoy it! :D

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:33 am 
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Well, I have this tab open for later perusal, but then you and me have to talk.
About things.
And stuff.
Anyways, looking forward to reading this.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:54 am 
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Aaaaaaaaaaa

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

This was really good.

I really like these characters, I love the story, I just... yeah, this is great.

I did note one awkward phrasing--"Kymoko was much as she had remembered it."--which seems off if she's visited a few times fairly recently. Otherwise, everything looks good to me.

I have some suspicions about Jinsen and Lord Eijo, and some other suspicions about who Jinsen might want to get a blade from, but I'll leave those things to others to speculate about. :3


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:31 am 
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Hehe, thanks for reading Keeper! Whenever I see you exclaiming wordlessly for the first couple of lines, I know I've done something right! :D

...That reads a little awkwardly but I'm not sorry.

Anyway, I'm glad you liked it! I had two major concerns going into this piece. One, I didn't want Kimberley to come across as insufferable (on one end of the spectrum) or wise beyond her years (on the other end). Two, I did not want to make Jinsen some infallible, ivory god, but rather, a very tangible, very complex and human person that Kimberley has, regardless, put a great deal of her faith into.

As for the awkward phrasing, that sentence used to have a qualifying line, which I removed at one point, and then failed to notice that yeah it's pretty weird as a standalone??? I'll fix that.

You got me, Keeper. It's not really a plot point, but Eijo and Jinsen were romantically involved before Jinsen's wanderlust took him away from Kamigawa. They have a great deal of respect for one another, and no hard feelings. Besides, Eijo always had to produce an heir to "The Pact" with Kymoko.

It wouldn't have worked out.

The Smith is clearly an alternate universe genderbent version of Gruff, who found a mystical hammer and was infused with the ancient wisdom of a long dead forge-god. Again, you got me, Keeper.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:13 pm 
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I am going to read this as soon as I am not dead tired.

I am really looking forward to this one, Ruwin!

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I am going to read this as soon as I am not dead tired.

I am really looking forward to this one, Ruwin!


I'm looking forward to you looking forward to this!

Which I guess means we are sort of staring at each other. O_o

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I am going to read this as soon as I am not dead tired.

I am really looking forward to this one, Ruwin!


I'm looking forward to you looking forward to this!

Which I guess means we are sort of staring at each other. O_o


.... kiss. just go on... kiss.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:14 am 
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I don't read many stories in the M:EM, but I read this one. And it was good.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:00 am 
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I don't read many stories in the M:EM, but I read this one. And it was good.


Well, I'm flattered, thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it. :)

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:38 pm 
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I think you definitely made Jinsen come across as human. If anything, that'd be my one critique of the piece: that Jinsen feels very human and not very Kor (whatever that might mean). It's kinda tough to remember at times that he's not a human at all but an alien species.

That said, that's an extra ball to juggle and you're already walking a thin line with him (though very adeptly, I'd say!) so I can understand not focusing on that too awful much.

Also woohoo I read the subtext correctly! :P


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:36 pm 
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Yeah... Kor are weird. I mean, besides being REALLY GOTDAM TALL, he looks like a porcelain-skinned human with pointy ears and black eyes. I imagine Kor as having a lower body temperature and slower metabolism than humans, but Jinsen rarely makes physical contact with anyone, so "his hands were cool" is as much as I can get out of that.

I could throw in some more ties to his cultural roots, but it's sort of hard to imagine him being attached to the culture of his home plane after wandering the multiverse for a few decades, you know? The only thing that really grounds him is his discipline.

Basically, it's something to work on! I'll keep that in mind.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:26 pm 
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I like that slower metabolism idea. It fits in with Jinsen's... lackluster attitude towards their supplies. He might not even get that Kimberley needs to eat more than he does. I don't know, it might be something worth playing with a bit more.

I think your reasoning is solid though, and I do think that you portray him so well that it's a tertiary issue at best. But yeah, something to mull over basically :P


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:01 pm 
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He might not even get that Kimberley needs to eat more than he does.


HAHAHA!

"Jinsen, I'm hungry."

"What are you talking about? We ate yesterday."

"...Yesterday morning."

"Right, that's what I said."

Ahahahaha, that's too funny. I'll find a way. I'LL FIND A WAY!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:51 pm 
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I've made up a "Need to Read" list, and this one is definitely there. I just wanted to let you know that I'm not ignoring this, I've just had no time recently. But hopefully in my three-day window of opportunity coming up, I'll be able to get to this...and Keerper's rewrite...and Tevish's story...and Ragrio's story...and all of the stuff Barinellos has/will have made for his From the Vault series...and anything else that goes up in that time.

But yeah, looking forward to this!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:17 am 
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Oh, Ruwin, this is wonderful.

One of the things which I really admire about your writing is that I think you have a wonderful knack for character. You write stories that look deep inside these people, that really probe what makes them who they are. You acknowledge their strengths and identify their faults without begrudging them either. And you have this wonderful way of confronting the characters with a meaningful, branching path, and they choices they make in response feel honest and true.

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I think Kimberley and Jinsen play off of each other marvelously, and I think you did a pretty good job of balancing Kimberley's characterization. She's immature, no doubt, and she is stubborn and reckless and ungrateful at times. But those less-than-admirable qualities all stem believably from that immaturity, and I don't think she is insufferable. I think it shows how much scope she has to grow.

Also, your characterization of the Kata itself is very moving. The language is fluid and easy, mirroring the motions of the characters.

Finally, I want to just say how much I love this line in particular:

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Just a couple quick typos which I noticed as I went:

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Thanks again for posting this! I'm looking forward to seeing these characters again.

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Okay, finally managed to get all the way through this.
It's good stuff! I wish I could be more specific, but unfortunately, reading it as brokenly as I have, I am left mostly with just an overall impression rather than the in depth coverage you deserve. Overall, it is a very solid piece, with the solitude pretty much exactly what Kimberly needed. It's a bit trope-y, but that's alright because the story uses it well and ultimately you couldn't ask for much better.

Regardless, there is one thing that I feel needs more attention, at least more delicacy at how it's handled.
Kamigawa... and Planeswalkers. While Jinsen's presence in the past helps dull some of that, I feel like the daimyo's son should have a much more mystical and ill understood idea of what it all means. There should be more reverence there, and probably some mythicization. This also feels like a plane that would probably develop their own term for it since it's a bit off the beaten path, as it were.

Anyways, going back to the positive, Jinsen getting a little comeuppance was great and clearly something he needs a little more of. Makes you wonder how many other vendettas she's keeping in her back pocket for an appropriate time... hehehehhe....

Lastly, I am... intrigued and wary of kami bearing gifts. You can understand that, I'm sure.

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I forgot to mention, I think, that the history of the katana bit was brilliant.


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Also, I forgot to mention this part, which was one of my favorites:

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Once, Jinsen had simply pointed in a direction and told her to walk until she spotted thirteen birds. In the sparsely wooded northern plains of Eiganjo, birds were few and far between. It had been many hours before she returned, tired, hungry, and with sore feet.

Funny thing is, I can actually imagine doing that to try to de-stress. Just start walking, and don't turn for home until I've seen some number of birds.

I may try that sometime.

And I have comfy shoes, so I should be okay.

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@Keeper: Hehe, originally, I was going to have him go into some superficial history that was either partially made up or blatantly untrue, but then i was just like... You know, Jinsen doesn't actually know anything about his sword so why would he pretend like he does.

So he just sort of throws it out there to see if Kimberley knows anything and when she doesn't, he moves on to the task at hand.

@OL: I don't think Kimberley really understands how uncomfortable Jinsen is now that his self-imposed solitude has been breached. He puts on a good face about it, but sometimes, you just need to send your stubborn apprentice on a junior ornithologist safari adventure and meditate for a while, you know?

...Actually that's probably not a very releveant experience at all.

@Barinellos: I was thinking about doing exactly what you said, with the planeswalkers. I decided to err on the side of caution, however. If wizards ever decided to revisit Kamigawa, they come up with their own myths concerning 'walkers, I didn't want to get caught out in the open. Dealing with canon planes is tough like that. :/ In the end, I decided it would be better if I didn't play Eijo and Jin for simpletons. They interact with a being from an unseen spirit world on a daily basis - the concept of worlds beyond their own is not a difficult logical leap. Jinsen, at least, has/had no compunctions telling Eijo about his true nature. He's emotionally honest when he needs to be.

He'd just rather not be in a situation that requires emotional honesty.

As for Jinsen getting his comeuppance, I'm not sure it's really comeuppance at all, coming from Kimberley. She's fond of the Eightfold Lotus, and it is entirely more likely that she would hurt her hand punching him than vice verse. Jinsen's reaction was most likely one of surprise (Eijo's and Jin's certainly were). Don't get in between Kimberley and her food, she was seven years on the streets.

Basically, Jinsen has a strange perspective on responding appropriately to social situations, because any time he had a problem with anything, the solution was always "training, discipline, focus", and he would overcome with sheer willpower. This doesn't work for everyone, but he wouldn't know that, because almost never talks to anybody.

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