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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:28 pm 
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Here is part one of Darius Misstal's ascention story. It's turning out to be longer then I expected, so I'm splitting it up into parts. Here is part 1, I'll post part two when I am done with it.

Link to Dariuss's planeswalker page viewtopic.php?f=19&t=4591


Twin Crystals


Part 1: Rebellion

Epilogue

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:19 pm 
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This is a good start! It's a lot more fully fleshed out than your previous work, which is great. There's still a clunkyness and a speed to it that I think you could polish up and there's definitely some language problems, but it's interesting to see Don Marco prior to his downfall, and the basic idea here is good, I think. Sometimes Dariuss Misstal's "freedom" thing gets a bit one note and I think we could spend maybe a bit more time inside his own head to establish a baseline so that when he's shocked he really feels shocked, for example, but the core structure here is, I think, solid.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:06 am 
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Yeah, I'm with Keeper on the tempo bit. The story feels rushed, and the characters actions and reactions lack the sort of emotional veracity that you'd expect from people in these sort of situations.

I will do an in-line critique of this tomorrow! Only because you used one of my bad guys. >:]

I will say two things, however: First, Darius is a weird name for a viashino.

Second, I don't mind you using Don Marco, but keep in mind that doing so sets you character's ascension behind on the (current) timeline by something in the ballpark of thirty years.

Don Marco's been dead for a while, poor sod.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:18 am 
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When I originally came up with the name and character I had planned him to be human.
He is only a child in this part, but I didn't specify an age because I wasn't sure the lifespan of Jakkardian Vashino.
I think I can work with it being behind the timeline, although I should go brush up on the timeline to be sure.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:51 pm 
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Alright, here it is!

For the record, this character could be useful as our second Jakkard native planeswalker, and just as a red 'walker in general. (AND expanding the race pool of our 'walker roster.) He needs some polishing, though, and so does the story.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:51 pm 
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@Ruwin: A lot to digest, but all you points are completely valid.
I will definitely go over it and use your suggestions to improve it. Thank you very much for your critique. I hope to use this board to improve my writing skills. (Maybe one day I'll even be RavenoftheBlack level)
I had difficulty with Don Marco, because not my character, unsure what actions he would take and such, but I can adjust it so he is more in character

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:30 pm 
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Hehe, yeah sometimes I go overboard with the typing thing, and then suddenly I've written more words than the work I'm commenting on has in it. T_T

I hope you use this board to improve your writing too! It's been beneficial for me, and we have a great community here.

I'll give you some advice for Don Marco: He's a coward, through and through. In Two Bullets, you never even see him until he's CERTAIN that he's got one over on Ol' Smokey and is about to pull the trigger. He sends the goons after Cosette, and he sends Abellus after Fisco. He literally just showed up at the very end to gloat, not really understanding that he was only alive because Fisco was attempting to protect potential assets. He doesn't like talking to the "rabble" and he's less likely to dole out threats than he is to just take care of the problem.

Hope this helps! :)

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:44 pm 
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Ragrio wrote:
I will definitely go over it and use your suggestions to improve it. Thank you very much for your critique. I hope to use this board to improve my writing skills. (Maybe one day I'll even be RavenoftheBlack level)

:blush:

Anyway, Ragrio, I'm compiling my current "Need to Read" list, and I just wanted to drop by to say that this is definitely on it. I can't promise you when it will be, possibly not until Wednesday or even Thursday (life's been insane over the past week or so) but I WILL get to this.

Thanks for the nod!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:26 am 
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Hi, Ragrio!

Dropping my own note here to the effect that this story is on my hit list, and that I look forward to reading it ASAP, hopefully tomorrow.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:31 pm 
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Alright, I read this puppy! Thanks a ton for posting, Ragrio.

Like the other commenters, I think you've got the thread of something interesting, here. The key is to just pull on that thread a little more, and see what unravels. I like the character, but we need to see and feel more of him in order to get a better sense for who he is.

Ruwin hit an awful lot of the points I would have made, so I won't spend too much time duplicating his comments. What I will suggest is an exercise for pushing this forward. It's obviously not anything you have to do - I mention it because it's the sort of thing I find helpful from time to time.

Pick one of the key moments in your story - one which you'd like to delve a little deeper into. Maybe it's the battle outside Don Marco's manner. Maybe it's the start of the interrogation. Maybe it's the moment Darius cracks under pressure. All that matters is that you pick a moment that interests you.

Now, once you've got your moment, try to drop as fully into the shoes of your POV character as you can. What does he see? If he's in a room, what is it like? Large? Small? High-ceilinged? Dank? Musty? Slimy floors? Sawdust on the floors?

If he's outside, what is the day like? Is it a Jakkard scorcher? Is the sun in his eyes? Does the dust blow up from the streets and cloud his vision?

And walk through this same exercise for all the senses. What does he hear? Smell? Touch? Taste?

Let's say, for example, we were doing the battle scene. Maybe it is a real Jakkard scorcher. The sun is looming high and large in the sky. Darius can see the sunlight glinting off the polished barrels of the guns which Don Marco's men are pointing at the crowd. I bet he has never seen so many guns in his life, certainly not pointed at him, and, even though the air is blistering hot, he feels a little chill run down his spine. Maybe his throat goes dry, or maybe he can taste the sourness of adrenaline as he tries to decide whether he has the courage to stand and fight, or whether he should give in to his impulse to run away. Because he does want to run away, because he's scared. He can hear the sound of the Don's men pumping rounds into the chambers of their guns, and smell the scent of cordite in the air, mixed with the acrid sweat of the agitated people around him. And that is scary.

(Again, this is just an example. I'm not saying that Darius has to see or think of feel these things. Just that this is a way of trying to draw out what he might be seeing, thinking, feeling, etc. Thinking about what the character is sensing is a window to get inside the character's head.)

Then, once you've really drawn out the character's state of mind, you can try calling "action," and watching how the scene plays out.

That's the sort of exercise I find useful from time to time. If it sounds useful to you, feel free to give it a shot.

I'm looking forward to seeing where you take this story from here!


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I will definitely go over it and use your suggestions to improve it. Thank you very much for your critique. I hope to use this board to improve my writing skills. (Maybe one day I'll even be RavenoftheBlack level)

I just want to tip my cap to this. That's exactly the right sort of sentiment. Every one of us always has the chance to get better, and the best way to do it is to get good feedback from helpful people. And, fortunately, we have more than our fair share of helpful people around these parts. It's a wonderful resource to be able to draw on.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:51 pm 
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That's a really good exercise actually... I'm kinda doing something similar now with a story I'm working on in order to get a better sense of a pretty dramatically nonhuman character and how she interacts with her environment. It's helpful.


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Hey, Ragrio.

So, I was finally able to read this, and sadly, I don't feel I have a lot to add to the advice already given to you by my esteemed colleagues Ruwin and Orcish. So, instead of focusing on small bits, let me address the piece overall.

I think this story has a lot going for it. The riot scene in the beginning can make for a great attention grabber and can get people pumped for the story. It needs to be paced a little differently, I think, but I like it as a thematic start. Dariuss seems to have a lot of potential as a character (sorry I poisoned him in that game thread... :D) and while I don't think the villain/foil of this story needs to be Don Marco specifically, I like that inter-connectedness.

For me, the biggest problem with this story is its speed. Now, keep in mind as I say what I'm about to say, I'm a firm believer in not writing to length. I think a story should be written and it will wind up whatever length it needs to be. Having said that, though, I think this piece is too short for the story you are trying to tell. As others have mentioned, we don't know much about Dariuss, and we know far less about his family and even the instigating struggle of Vash in Verkell. I think this piece would be well-served by taking a little bit of time, slow it down a little, and give us a more complete picture.

Overall, though, I'm seeing some promise here, and I'm really looking forward to seeing a second version of this. I do have to ask, though, what the relevance is in the title of "Twin Crystals?" I didn't see a single reference to this throughout the entire piece, and considering there is an epilogue, I think I could be forgiven for assuming this piece was finished for the time being. So yeah, what's the title all about?

Like I said though, I think this piece and you as a writer both show some promise, and I think with some more writing experience, you'll really produce some stellar stuff. Just because I'm always trying to get people involved with it, I would like to recommend/encourage/invite you to participate in Flavor of the Week over in the AF&S boards. I know you stopped by once and expressed a possible interest. It's a noncommittal, low-pressure writing exercise that you should feel free to join in with whenever you want. I believe that, for the most part, the more you write, the better you get at it, and those little weekly prompts give you a chance to get that practice.

Anyway, thanks for posting, and keep writing!


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:06 am 
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Twin Crystals is the overall name of the ascension story, which is relevant, just not in part 1.

The story seemed much longer on my computer, and I was afraid of making it to long, so I did shorten it a bit. And I will get around to editing Part 1 with your guys suggestions soon.

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