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Discussion: Beginnings of a Ravnica Anthology?
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Author:  Planechaser [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:52 am ]
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So hopefully all involved (myself included) can get the Zendikar anthology rolling in the upcoming weeks? (Months?) but I'm very very interested in the prospect of a Ravnica anthology in the not so distant future. Regardless of how we split up the stories and guilds or cycled cards, I've had this particular idea for only a while but I believe it's such a good one it deserves a mention and consideration. What if A. Somehow the PDF of the finished project is able to hide a story or so (doubt this is possible) or B. Hide bolded words or letters throughout our stories so that they go together to decode an extra story that brings some parts of the other stories together. Is anyone interested in this?

Anyway, there are plenty of different vantage points to do a Ravnica anthology: There are 10 guilds, and very unlikely to leave them out and still have a delicious read. However, there are still so many different ways the guilds can be looked at. From an outsider's PoV, from the PoV of a new guildmember, from a positive outlook (Simic doing medical work, Rakdos doing entertainment, etc) the Charms, the Keyrunes, the Guildgates and probably plenty more I haven't listed. So what system does anyone think would be most agreeable? I suppose it is possible that everyone gets a guild (possibly with each guild up for grabs 2x each idk) and does a story that has *something* to do with that guild. I'd love to see this pick up one of these days, so I'd just like to hear any ideas or concerns about the possible future project.

P.S. Someone plz include Fblthp in a story lol
Author:  Planechaser [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:47 pm ]
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Actually, on second thought, what would make a very interesting setup (and scheme for theming) is use of the "Fuse" cards and their predecessors, allowing for single guild involvement, or 2-guild interaction in a story. If this would be a problem, it can be said to be set after Jace departs to investigate Garruk's predicament, thus little to no interference by the guildpact. Any objections to this idea, or suggestions for a better one?

Just in case, here's what we have.
:w::u: Trial & Error :u::b:
:b::r: Hit & Run :r::g:
:r::w: Hide & Seek :w::b:
:b::g: Bound & Determined :g::u:
:g::u: Research & Development :u::r:
:u::r: Odds & Ends :r::w:
:g::w: Supply & Demand :w::u:
:u::b: Rise & Fall :b::r:
:r::g: Pure & Simple :g::w:
:w::b: Crime & Punishment :b::g:
:g::w: Ready & Willing :w::b:
:g::u: Beck & Call :u::w:
:u::b: Breaking & Entering :b::r:
:b::g: Flesh & Blood :g::r:
:u::r: Catch & Release :r::w:
Author:  RavenoftheBlack [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Discussion: Beginnings of a Ravnica Anthology?
I recently wrote a poem about the guilds' Signets, which you can read here, if you are so inclined.

A Ravnica anthology is certainly something we will likely consider in the future, although I'm not sure now is the right time, mostly because we already have three anthologies that are theoretically in the works, and it's difficult enough to get one put together, let alone four.

That being said, good ideas are always worth developing, and if this is something you're particularly interested in, feel free to start thinking it through and even writing some stuff for it, if you like. It might be a good idea to start off small, with one or two Ravnica-set stories, to see how you feel working with the setting.
Author:  Planechaser [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Discussion: Beginnings of a Ravnica Anthology?
RavenoftheBlack wrote:
I recently wrote a poem about the guilds' Signets, which you can read here, if you are so inclined.

A Ravnica anthology is certainly something we will likely consider in the future, although I'm not sure now is the right time, mostly because we already have three anthologies that are theoretically in the works, and it's difficult enough to get one put together, let alone four.

That being said, good ideas are always worth developing, and if this is something you're particularly interested in, feel free to start thinking it through and even writing some stuff for it, if you like. It might be a good idea to start off small, with one or two Ravnica-set stories, to see how you feel working with the setting.
Right, hence why this is only a Discussion thread and not a full-blown project yet. What are the other 2 Anthologies aside from Zendikar? Someone reblogged M:EM's post about the Zendikar anthology, and added their considerations for a Ravnica equivalent, hence the topic. At the current moment I was only hoping to gauge more interest in the project for a later date.
Author:  KeeperofManyNames [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:14 pm ]
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One thing I will say for sure is that I don't think a highly rigid and prescriptive structure like that of Murasa Logbook really fits a setting as expansive as Ravnica's. While we could plan with an eye to a thematic throughline as we did with Seasons of Dusk, I wouldn't get too strict on what does and doesn't fit.

There are a bunch of stories on the old forum that'd probably fit. Hairless Thoctar wrote a whole slew of them, actually.
Author:  RavenoftheBlack [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:21 pm ]
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Planechaser wrote:
Right, hence why this is only a Discussion thread and not a full-blown project yet. What are the other 2 Anthologies aside from Zendikar? Someone reblogged M:EM's post about the Zendikar anthology, and added their considerations for a Ravnica equivalent, hence the topic. At the current moment I was only hoping to gauge more interest in the project for a later date.

Fair enough. The other two are the Minutes to Midnight anthology, which would focus on dying planes, and the Jakkard anthology, set on that popular M:EM plane.

KeeperofManyNames wrote:
One thing I will say for sure is that I don't think a highly rigid and prescriptive structure like that of Murasa Logbook really fits a setting as expansive as Ravnica's. While we could plan with an eye to a thematic throughline as we did with Seasons of Dusk, I wouldn't get too strict on what does and doesn't fit.

There are a bunch of stories on the old forum that'd probably fit. Hairless Thoctar wrote a whole slew of them, actually.

Yeah, Hairless was really into Ravnica, as I recall.
Author:  KeeperofManyNames [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:24 pm ]
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Of course the nice thing about the Jakkard anthology is that at the moment it's kind of self-assembling. People keep writing stuff for it whether they're asked to or not :P
Author:  Planechaser [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:31 pm ]
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RavenoftheBlack wrote:
Planechaser wrote:
Right, hence why this is only a Discussion thread and not a full-blown project yet. What are the other 2 Anthologies aside from Zendikar? Someone reblogged M:EM's post about the Zendikar anthology, and added their considerations for a Ravnica equivalent, hence the topic. At the current moment I was only hoping to gauge more interest in the project for a later date.

Fair enough. The other two are the Minutes to Midnight anthology, which would focus on dying planes, and the Jakkard anthology, set on that popular M:EM plane.

KeeperofManyNames wrote:
One thing I will say for sure is that I don't think a highly rigid and prescriptive structure like that of Murasa Logbook really fits a setting as expansive as Ravnica's. While we could plan with an eye to a thematic throughline as we did with Seasons of Dusk, I wouldn't get too strict on what does and doesn't fit.

There are a bunch of stories on the old forum that'd probably fit. Hairless Thoctar wrote a whole slew of them, actually.

Yeah, Hairless was really into Ravnica, as I recall.
Oh ok, I can see it's a little far off, but still visible on the horizon hopefully. I just hope to cause a little digging to pop up here now and then, until time allows and more projects are nearing completion. It would be also good to see opinions on what is doable and what is not. You are saying that the "Fuse" cards are too strict, or that the "hidden poem/story" is not possible? Okay, not to disrespect anyone's work, but I'm not as easily immersed in fan-made planes atm (though Jakkard is considerably one of my favorite concepts for a plane so far, so I'm gaining interest)
Author:  Tevish Szat [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:32 pm ]
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I'm really tempted to write one story for Rav if it launches, but other than that I don't know if I have the fortitude to do it... Maybe a couple atmospheric/character pieces around the science guilds (Izzet, Simic). I don't much care for the place, really, but I could contribute one.

I do think that we'd want a more freeform structure like Fragments/Seasons
Author:  RuwinReborn [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:32 pm ]
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KeeperofManyNames wrote:
Of course the nice thing about the Jakkard anthology is that at the moment it's kind of self-assembling. People keep writing stuff for it whether they're asked to or not :P


*cough*

*kicks papers under the couch*

Whaaaat? That never happens. >_>
Author:  RavenoftheBlack [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:37 pm ]
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Yeah, and I'm pretty much always good for a poem or two for almost any anthology. Like I said, I have a few Ravnica poems, but not all that many. If this goes at some point in the future, I'm sure I could write one or two more.

@Ruwin: Says the guy who wrote the First Jakkard piece, which was a large contributor to the popularity of the plane!
Author:  RuwinReborn [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:45 pm ]
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Oh goodness, that really was the first one, wasn't it?

Eeurgh, that feels like it was so long ago.

Anyway, my unabashed love of Ravnica is evident in the fact that I usually make a point for Fisco to complain about it every other story. I love, love, love, LOVE the Orzhov and am easily good for at least one story about them.
Author:  Planechaser [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:48 pm ]
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Oh okay then, free form may be best for Ravnica (though I'd be especially proud to see the "secret message" concept appear upon its completion and release)

Perhaps the authors may still use any of the above formats or themes for their individual stories.

I'd love to see a lot of different themes and such, and background mentioned cameos like spotting Fblthp tending the Azorius' territory, whispers about Yeva, Krenko, or even the Shattergang Brothers. A story titled "Research and Development" going back and forth between a Simic mage working and an Izzet mage working on their respective "projects". Or a young gateless child stumbling upon a dropped Rakdos Keyrune. Just some nice ideas I can see spawning similarly clever narratives.
Author:  KeeperofManyNames [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:55 pm ]
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Ruwin, you didn't just write the first Jakkard story, you also wrote what would probably be considered the first Ravnica story! :P Your Good Pontiff story, remember? That story is a big reason why I keep holding onto the hope that we can do this someday!

I have fragments of a story that involves... well, a whole slew of guilds, but that revolves around a particularly skilled architect. I never finished it for some reason. I think I still have the pieces somewhere... unless they got lost during the move to the new computer. I don't think they did though.
Author:  RuwinReborn [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:04 pm ]
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KeeperofManyNames wrote:
Ruwin, you didn't just write the first Jakkard story, you also wrote what would probably be considered the first Ravnica story! :P Your Good Pontiff story, remember? That story is a big reason why I keep holding onto the hope that we can do this someday!


Hehe, I haven't forgotten about that one.

Not all Orzhov!
Author:  KeeperofManyNames [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:17 pm ]
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Pffft hahahaha.

I'd also love to grab Thoctar's Rakdos story. That was good too.

I forget what else people wrote...
Author:  Planechaser [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:23 pm ]
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I'd also love to see some guildless character interpretation. Maybe some stray mentions of "where has the guildpact gone? It's his rightful duty and he's nowhere to be found whilst Guild X and Guild Y cause ________"
Author:  RuwinReborn [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:27 pm ]
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We probably don't want to write too much about Jace shirking his duty as the Guildpact. Or, like. At all, really. We probably don't want to write about Jace doing anything, because putting him in a negative light would, uh... probably not go over so well? Even if he's pretty stupid sometimes.

Oh, and that whole. Canon toe-stepping thing. Don't want any of that.

We should either write whilst under the impression that Jace is doing his job, or tackle Ravnica before all the maze shenanigans.
Author:  KeeperofManyNames [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:30 pm ]
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Yeah, keep in mind that we actually don't know anything about Jace's current dealings with Garruk. That might change in the short future with m15 but it's not certain whether him leaving the plane would even be noticed, if the trip was short enough.

It's worth noting that a lot of the stories written previously were written prior to the finale of The Secretist.
Author:  RuwinReborn [ Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:33 pm ]
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Yea, I have a little note on my personal copy of The Good Pontiff that says "~decade before RTR", which would put the flashback scenes about 100 years before that. Uh... how long ago was the original Rav block?
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