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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 1:19 am 
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Yes, I tend to have problem with coming within a hair's breadth of finishing something only to put it off, but here we have it at last.
Shadows.
For those unfamiliar with it, it is best you read Queen of the Black Sands and Loss to get a picture of the players involved.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:49 pm 
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I am reading the backstories, first, so that I can come to this piece with the correct context. And I very much look forward to reading this one.

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 Post subject: Re: Shadows
PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:00 pm 
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Alrighty, I did my homework, and I just finished reading this story as well, which I thoroughly enjoyed. Kudos to you, as ever, good sir!

Just a few general comments here, then I'll tuck more stuff behind spoiler blocks below.

First and foremost, I think this piece showcases your impressive ability to go both big and small within the same story.

On the big side, we have all the evocative settings which I've come to expect from your stories, and I'm continually impressed by your ability to write large, kinectic action set-pieces in a way that captures something of the frenzy of a life-or-death struggle while still keeping the thread of the action clear and easy to follow. That's a hard thing to pull off, so doing it the way you do is no mean feat.

On the small side, the story has a lot of little telling moments - a gesture, a turn of phrase, etc. - which speak worlds about the people and places they describe. As much as I admire the production values (for lack of a better phrase) of the big aspects of the story, these little telling moments are always my favorites.

The first spoiler block has some line-by-line comments and questions. The second one has some more general observations.

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Executive summary: A really exciting story, so it's fantastic that you finished it and posted it.

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 Post subject: Re: Shadows
PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:37 pm 
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At the moment I'm feeling pretty sandblasted myself, since I was with Sara all yesterday evening and much of today, and I'm still not really settled into the rhythms of being back in the US, so feel free to take these comments with a grain of salt. I'm kind of out of it at the moment and am really only fit for an early night's sleep. On the whole, I liked the piece and I think it makes for an interesting introduction to this conflict and a good expansion on both the characters.

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 Post subject: Re: Shadows
PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:59 pm 
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Ooookay, let's see if I can't dig into this. Lot of comments, so... this'll take a bit.

Of course, first off, thank you for the compliments. Let me get that out of the way immediately. It means a lot that you guys like it so much. It also makes me feel pretty crummy about not getting around to working through other's works. :sweat:

Anyways!
Re:action scenes
These are always what ends up wrecking me. They take a lot of processor power to get them to come out and the fact that you guys think I do such a good job makes me feel like its worth all that CPU usage. More often than not, if I'm stalling on a piece, it's because a duel is eating up my mental RAM.

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So yeah, I'm satisfied that you guys have enjoyed it. I've already decided what the next step will be, but it's pretty far down on the list of things to finish and it still needs time to bake.
And hell, if anybody wanted to throw a little something more in between these walkers, I by no means have a longer plan.
Other than whenever they finally do clash Zhiran is going to be loaded for bear.

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 Post subject: Re: Shadows
PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:06 am 
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Hm, I'd say it might be good to clarify the Rabiah thing just a little bit if you can. I mean obviously that's easier said than done.

One thing that occurred to me while I was reading, somewhat re: his youthful attitude, is that the middle part of the story feels a lot like an early Magic story. Just something about it reminds me of the era when Planeswalkers were driven by whim backed by power, sort of the more Sword and Sorcery influenced days of Magic. So Zhiran looking back on that past is interesting because it reads to me also like a metatextual reflection of the way us fans from that era look back on those characters with a more mature sensibility. It's kind of fitting, I think, that we're considering Zhiran as a possible source of our timeline for the project as a whole.

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Also the gaps in his memory that have been revealed post-Mending represent all the continuity errors that have appeared post-Mending :V


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:26 am 
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Hm, I'd say it might be good to clarify the Rabiah thing just a little bit if you can. I mean obviously that's easier said than done.
I'll... see what I can do as far as that is concerned. The way it's structured might make it somewhat implausible to attempt.
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One thing that occurred to me while I was reading, somewhat re: his youthful attitude, is that the middle part of the story feels a lot like an early Magic story. Just something about it reminds me of the era when Planeswalkers were driven by whim backed by power, sort of the more Sword and Sorcery influenced days of Magic. So Zhiran looking back on that past is interesting because it reads to me also like a metatextual reflection of the way us fans from that era look back on those characters with a more mature sensibility. It's kind of fitting, I think, that we're considering Zhiran as a possible source of our timeline for the project as a whole.

Success! I was really aiming for that sort of evocation in terms of the past. I wanted it to feel much more old school than our modern stories, but the contrast between the now and then was important too.
There are a lot of layers involved here that I'm pleased people have picked up on, though so far there is one that seemingly has escaped notice, though its more a poetic parallelism in structure than a meta-textual theme.

Also, we'll need to start working on that timeline at some point.

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Also the gaps in his memory that have been revealed post-Mending represent all the continuity errors that have appeared post-Mending :V

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 Post subject: Re: Shadows
PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2014 11:46 pm 
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Hey, Barinellos! So, I finally got to reading these three pieces. Sorry it took so long. Anyway, I liked this piece the best of the three, I think, although the pathos of Loss was really powerful. Anyway, I haven't read through everyone else's comments, so if I repeat something, I apologize, although I don't have a great deal to say. I think your duel scene was excellent, very appropriately scaled and paced. Well done.

I find it interesting and a little bit odd that someone as old and wise as Zhiran misinterpreted the efreet's words and assume Rishima had sent them to attack. Especially after arriving on Dark Rabiah, when he sensed all that black mana that he apparently didn't care for, he probably should have thought better of the whole thing.

The only problem I see with this piece, which was slightly jarring for me, was when Zhiran taunted Rishima by saying "Your floor may never recover Rishima." Apart from grammatically needing a comma, I don't think Rishima ever told him her name. She was always referred to as the Queen of Black Sands. It seemed odd to me that he knew and would casually use her name. Not a big deal, admittedly, but I noticed it.


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 Post subject: Re: Shadows
PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 12:04 am 
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Hey, Barinellos! So, I finally got to reading these three pieces. Sorry it took so long. Anyway, I liked this piece the best of the three, I think, although the pathos of Loss was really powerful. Anyway, I haven't read through everyone else's comments, so if I repeat something, I apologize, although I don't have a great deal to say. I think your duel scene was excellent, very appropriately scaled and paced. Well done.

Loss is one of my favorite pieces for its pathos. It's just something that we don't get a lot of, which is why I'm so pleased with it. It elicits thought.
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I find it interesting and a little bit odd that someone as old and wise as Zhiran misinterpreted the efreet's words and assume Rishima had sent them to attack. Especially after arriving on Dark Rabiah, when he sensed all that black mana that he apparently didn't care for, he probably should have thought better of the whole thing.

Well, he was a little more impulsive in his younger days. Plus, it sort of plays into the "someone messed up my thing" attitude the dual walkers have as well.
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The only problem I see with this piece, which was slightly jarring for me, was when Zhiran taunted Rishima by saying "Your floor may never recover Rishima." Apart from grammatically needing a comma, I don't think Rishima ever told him her name. She was always referred to as the Queen of Black Sands. It seemed odd to me that he knew and would casually use her name. Not a big deal, admittedly, but I noticed it.
I figure he picked up her name from some of the terrified courtiers. He spent at least an afternoon touring the city so...

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 Post subject: Re: Shadows
PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2014 12:12 am 
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I have "read through both Loss and Queen of the Black Sands for typos that pass through spellchecker" anyway, and in fact started Loss earlier this evening, so I suppose I'll push this toward the top of my list. Sorry that it's taking me so long...

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 Post subject: Re: Shadows
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Sorry that it's taking me so long...

Eh, no worries there mate.

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Barinellos wrote:
I figure he picked up her name from some of the terrified courtiers. He spent at least an afternoon touring the city so...

True, although you do say that few courtiers would even talk to him, and since you've established that Rishima doesn't like anyone referring to her as something other than "Queen," I just found it odd.


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Okay, I'd like to tell you that I've read through both Loss and Queen of the Black Sands (only one typo between the two of them, too) and will get started on this soon. It's the very next thing on my list.

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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 4:30 pm 
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This is really cool! I have to admit, I didn't get into the Queen of the Black Sands all that much. It was hard for me to follow who and what the main character was. At first I thought she was a human woman, then a cat, and then an angel, until you said she was a sphinx, then it made sense. But the two with this archmage guy are both really good! I can't wait to see their next battle!

I don't know much about Rabiah except for what I've read online. Is Dark Rabiah a real thing, or did you make it up for these? It's a cool concept. I wonder if there's also a Light Rabiah as one of the thousand refractions.

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It's a real thing! We don't know a whole lot about it, unfortunately, but it's one of the more tantalizing bits of forgotten canon.

From Jeff Lee's old site:

"It has been generations since the Refraction and thus each of the Rabiahs has developed extensively. Rabiahs tend to be desert-like in environment and patriarchal, but some societies have women-centered customs and there is even a dark plane ruled by great evils-one claimed to rival even Phyrexia."


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It's a real thing! We don't know a whole lot about it, unfortunately, but it's one of the more tantalizing bits of forgotten canon.

From Jeff Lee's old site:

"It has been generations since the Refraction and thus each of the Rabiahs has developed extensively. Rabiahs tend to be desert-like in environment and patriarchal, but some societies have women-centered customs and there is even a dark plane ruled by great evils-one claimed to rival even Phyrexia."

I really hope they revisit Rabiah some day, now that they have new design technology at their disposal. But I doubt it'll happen. Certainly not any time soon, I would say.


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This is really cool! I have to admit, I didn't get into the Queen of the Black Sands all that much. It was hard for me to follow who and what the main character was. At first I thought she was a human woman, then a cat, and then an angel, until you said she was a sphinx, then it made sense. But the two with this archmage guy are both really good! I can't wait to see their next battle!

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Glad you've enjoyed them.
I've heard that criticism leveled against Queen of the Black Sands before, but it wasn't really written in the same way the others were and now that it's all laid out, I'm not sure there's a lot I can do to clarify things. I do appreciate a good Ah-ha! moment though, so I'm glad that happened when you got to the Sphinx revelation.

As to Zhiran, he's one of my creations that I am most proud of, so I'm really glad that you enjoyed those.

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Finally finished reading this!

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While it was well-composed, I didn't find myself all that engaged in the story, and even realized during the battle scene that I didn't care for the figures locked in combat. Essentially, the stakes weren't that high. I mean, of course life and death, but both Rishima and Zhiran had total control of the battle the entire time, never really walking the razor's edge that more mortal and less powerful 'walkers usually find themselves facing for every battle (not just against other 'walkers).

They are both brilliant power fantasies, but I don't find myself caring to really watch their battle, perhaps especially since it's not a titanic earth-shattering event -- they just ruin what I assume is the throne room. The scenes from the present, at Zhiran's academy, and in particular with that elf girl, were what really captured my attention.

In short, it's well-written, but not really my cup of tea.

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