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Author: | Lord LunaEquie is me [ Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Editing and Posting Da Rules |
I've tried bringing it up here and there, but I think this is the only way to really start discussion on it. The original rules look like this:
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Now, the first and most obvious change is the Positions described. I'm pretty sure at this point that Overlord has become M:EMperor; and Speaker has just kind of diluted across all voting M:EMbers. The Archivist is still a thing, but number one is that there is an Archivist account now and number two is that I've been the Archivist for well over a year now (and these rules were saved in Feb. of this year). Jedi may be back, but I don't think we even need a Works Manager (not that anyone took the position when jedi disappeared). We do of course need to edit the Voting Rules to reflect this, but that can come later. The image tags can stand, I guess, but I agree with Keeper that their a little less than optimal. Hmm... if we had little colored badge thingys with little letters it might work... How big are the smileys allowed to be here? Nevermind, here's my proposed changes:
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Author: | jedi8187 [ Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Editing and Posting Da Rules |
Looks good to me. Yea: 1 |
Author: | KeeperofManyNames [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:57 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Editing and Posting Da Rules |
The first paragraph should probably have a clarification of the division between regular folks who join in and are welcome to help, and people who have work in the archives and are M:EMbers. We should also probably include a basic board policy. Maybe something like: Quote: As this board is oriented towards creating material, off-topic conversation and general chatting about Magic is probably best taken to one of the other Magic boards [link?] or to the Off Topic Room. If you have questions about the art or storyline of Magic, check out Art, Flavor, & Storylines [definitely link]. Mature content (explicit violence and sex) within stories will not be immediately deleted, but the more explicit it is, the more you will need to justify it artistically. The rules about what material you include are somewhat looser here, but are by no means totally lifted. And, of course, explicit content posted for the sake of baiting or trolling, or posted outside of the context of a work, is going to be treated just as it normally would on any other board. Does this seem reasonable? Also, we should rewrite the explicit rules for how works are voted in and how new M:EMbers are selected. |
Author: | Lord LunaEquie is me [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Editing and Posting Da Rules |
KeeperofManyNames wrote: The first paragraph should probably have a clarification of the division between regular folks who join in and are welcome to help, and people who have work in the archives and are M:EMbers. We should also probably include a basic board policy. Maybe something like: Quote: As this board is oriented towards creating material, off-topic conversation and general chatting about Magic is probably best taken to one of the other Magic boards [link?] or to the Off Topic Room. If you have questions about the art or storyline of Magic, check out Art, Flavor, & Storylines [definitely link]. Mature content (explicit violence and sex) within stories will not be immediately deleted, but the more explicit it is, the more you will need to justify it artistically. The rules about what material you include are somewhat looser here, but are by no means totally lifted. And, of course, explicit content posted for the sake of baiting or trolling, or posted outside of the context of a work, is going to be treated just as it normally would on any other board. Does this seem reasonable? Also, we should rewrite the explicit rules for how works are voted in and how new M:EMbers are selected. Hey, at least someone other than me is actually taking about the rules. You have a point about M:EMbers. I'm not good at this sort of thing. I keep saying we need to get Tevish to rewrite them since he is creepily good at this sort of thing. Voting Rules I was going to bring up after this, but it seems everyone is ignoring this thread. Do you guys think we should combine regular Rules and Voting Rules? |
Author: | RavenoftheBlack [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Editing and Posting Da Rules |
For the record, I'm not ignoring this, I just have no idea. I'm very much not a rules guy. Reading over your suggested rules, nothing stands out to me as strange or out-of-place. I don't see a problem with combining the regular rules with the voting rules. |
Author: | Aaarrrgh [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:38 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Editing and Posting Da Rules |
Sorry for not checking this thread earlier. I like all of the proposed changes, both Lord Luna's and Keeper's. I do agree that there should be a clarification about who's a M:EMber and who isn't, but I don't know how that should be worded. |
Author: | Lord LunaEquie is me [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Editing and Posting Da Rules |
Aaarrrgh wrote: Sorry for not checking this thread earlier. I like all of the proposed changes, both Lord Luna's and Keeper's. I do agree that there should be a clarification about who's a M:EMber and who isn't, but I don't know how that should be worded. First, you don't know how much twisted glee it gives me to be called Lord Luna. Second, what do you think about combining the formerly separate Rules? Come to think of it, it seems the only real reason Voting Rules were separated was because of the sub-forum for voting was apart from the rest of the boards. |
Author: | RuwinReborn [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Editing and Posting Da Rules |
Yea, I'm more for a "follow the rules" guy than a "make the rules" guy. You tell me what I can and can't do, and I will or won't do it. If it turns out those things are ridiculous for some reason, THEN I'll propose a change and/or just bugger off or forget about it. I mean, everyone here is already crazy, so as long as we don't go complete totalitarian lock-down, I should be chill with it. |
Author: | Aaarrrgh [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:49 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Editing and Posting Da Rules |
I say you should combine them, Lord Luna (I will call you that every chance I get from now on). |
Author: | Lord LunaEquie is me [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Editing and Posting Da Rules |
RuwinReborn wrote: Yea, I'm more for a "follow the rules" guy than a "make the rules" guy. You tell me what I can and can't do, and I will or won't do it. If it turns out those things are ridiculous for some reason, THEN I'll propose a change and/or just bugger off or forget about it. I mean, everyone here is already crazy, so as long as we don't go complete totalitarian lock-down, I should be chill with it. Well, to be honest, I think the Rules around the M:EM as they were are a bit too strict, especially with how the original council fell apart and the slow degradation of our infrastructure. But it's nice to finally hear from people after nearly a week. @Aaarrrgh: |
Author: | jedi8187 [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Editing and Posting Da Rules |
Too strict in what way? The rules have always felt like an after thought really, we never spent much time worrying about the letter of the law so I guess I never really noticed. |
Author: | RuwinReborn [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Editing and Posting Da Rules |
It is probably worth mentioning that many people are not very worried about the rules because we have an astonishingly well-behaved community here. No one actively attempts to break any rules, and very few people even accidentally break any rules. And the people who do actively attempt to be disruptive, unruly, and belligerent are going to do that regardless of what rules we attempt to enforce. Because they're trolls and they don't need silly things like logic and rules in order to function, if the base level at which they do function can be considered actually functioning. (Hehe... Conjunction junction, what's your function?) So, what I'm getting at is, while it is a good idea to have the rules so that we know where the lines lay, the majority of the community is polite and aware enough to ask if something is alright before just going ahead and doing it. |
Author: | KeeperofManyNames [ Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:12 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Editing and Posting Da Rules |
I'd combine the voting rules. They can probably be refined and pared down a bit, too. Maybe just: Quote: Any poster that has a work in the archive is considered a full M:EMber and has the ability to both vote in and create voting threads for different works and initiatives. Votes pass by simple majority of Yea votes over Nay and Not As Is votes. In the event of a tie the vote passes or fails according to which way the M:EMperor voted. Not As Is votes are Nay votes that can be changed to Yea votes when the author meets certain criteria, to be listed by the voter. Authors of works should abstain from voting for their own submissions. However, works created collaboratively by a majority of [active?] M:EMbers are automatically considered to be endorsed by those M:EMbers, and the piece will automatically be entered in the archives barring serious objection from one of the collaborators or from the remaining active M:EMbers. (This is a tricky one to word correctly. Thoughts?) Voting threads are considered closed after three days of no activity. Am I forgetting anything important? |
Author: | Aaarrrgh [ Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Editing and Posting Da Rules |
I think you got the Abstaining/collaborative works section pretty well there, Keeper. Also, considering this community's lazy voting habits recently, do we actually think we'll be able to run the "close after three days" rule? I would suggest: Voting threads are considered closed after three days of no activity after N votes have been cast. That way, we don't run the risk of threads being officially closed with only one or two votes, just because they were posted in a week most of us were busy. |
Author: | Yxoque [ Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:41 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Editing and Posting Da Rules |
The problem with that would be, I'd imagine, that you end up with a situation where you've proposed a planeswalker because you want to use him in a story on someone else's plane, but can't post the story yet because the planeswalker isn't accepted yet. Maybe expanding the three-day period a little bit is a workable solution. Or (crazier idea) we make voting last a week and all projects up for voting to up on Monday. I then send each voting member a PM with the list of project needing votes. That way, people get a reminder to vote (which seems to help) and voting can become a cyclical, habitual thing. |
Author: | KeeperofManyNames [ Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:06 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Editing and Posting Da Rules |
Woah. Weekly voting? Why have we never thought of trying that before? It'll definitely be an added duty for someone (Yxoque or Lord Luna, I suppose) but it's a good suggestion... |
Author: | Yxoque [ Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:20 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Editing and Posting Da Rules |
It's a minor task, I think. Shouldn't take longer than 15 minutes if you have a default statement and a list of people eligible for voting you can copy-paste. The first time it would take a bit longer, maybe. I wouldn't mind doing it. |
Author: | KeeperofManyNames [ Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:04 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Editing and Posting Da Rules |
According to Gobbo Fire there's a plugin that would let a mod see who votes in a poll, so that could make things a bit easier on us if they can get that set up. Of course, people will probably still want to post commentary usually but if someone's in a rush they can just toss a vote up in the poll quickly. |
Author: | RavenoftheBlack [ Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:11 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Editing and Posting Da Rules |
Anything that encourages voting sounds like a good idea to me. |
Author: | jedi8187 [ Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:34 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Editing and Posting Da Rules |
That would work. |
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