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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:57 pm 
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No, seriously, I really need a more appropriate title now.

"Legacies Part 1"

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:58 pm 
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"Legacies Part 2"

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:59 pm 
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”Legacies Part III”

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:01 pm 
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And lastly, the long awaited last chapter

Legacies IV

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:01 pm 
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I am slowly making my way through this, and I'm really enjoying it so far.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:25 am 
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I am slowly making my way through this, and I'm really enjoying it so far.

It is kind of... ridiculously gigantic. Take your time.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:21 am 
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Oh, and I would appreciate if people would use spoiler tags for discussion of that last chapter at least.
... when people get around to it.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 12:31 am 
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You got it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:10 pm 
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I've really got to put this on my next to-read thing. I'm not sure I'm entirely up to it at the moment, but hopefully I don't get too distracted. I'll keep a running impressions/criticisms of it as I tackle it, though.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:43 am 
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Alright, then - finally finished reading this puppy.

First, the easy business - this was really, really great. The environments are super atmospheric, and as someone who is (nominally, *sad trombone*) working on a Ravnica story, there is a lot of great stuff here to get the juices flowing.

I have a dumb pronunciation question: is it more like "Raff" or "Rayf"? I was assuming the latter at first, but Raefiel sounded better in my head with the former pronunciation.

Additional thoughts brush a little closer to spoiler territory, so they be down below:

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:46 am 
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Alright, then - finally finished reading this puppy.

First, the easy business - this was really, really great. The environments are super atmospheric, and as someone who is (nominally, *sad trombone*) working on a Ravnica story, there is a lot of great stuff here to get the juices flowing.

I have a dumb pronunciation question: is it more like "Raff" or "Rayf"? I was assuming the latter at first, but Raefiel sounded better in my head with the former pronunciation.

It's Rayf, with a long A. Mostly because I wanted to make it close, but not a duplicate of Raphael.
And thank you greatly. I've always felt that my strongest suit was probably imagery.
Particularly in the last chapter with the Megatower.

And really glad to have contributed some inspiration for you.

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Barinellos wrote:
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:45 pm 
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Well, in fairness, it isn't like Raef came up with a clever plan and escaped. He was about to get leveled.

So, with the project done, I'm honestly tempted to try to put together a deck for Raef and I kind of forget some of the cards I've put in the story.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:13 am 
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First off, the spacing between paragraphs disappear when one ends or begins with dialogue. Would you like me to fix that for you?

Part 1 overview

So I'm reworking my way through this, also other things. I don't remember how far I'd gotten last time I read this, but I'm sure I didn't pay as close attention as I'm doing now.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:55 pm 
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First off, the spacing between paragraphs disappear when one ends or begins with dialogue. Would you like me to fix that for you?
Not sure. Don't until I decide.
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You know, the further I get into it, the more I notice how your prose seems to swing between the overly-descriptive to the fast-paced. I mean, the paragraphs of exposition at the beginning when Raef was spacing out was expertly done, but other parts kind of stand out.
I'll be honest, I really don't care if you think I'm overly descriptive. You'd already mentioned it in Cruel Ultimatum, but it's how I write. I've been accused of purple prose in the past, and the chances it'll change are very minimal.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:51 pm 
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Barinellos wrote:
I'll be honest, I really don't care if you think I'm overly descriptive. You'd already mentioned it in Cruel Ultimatum, but it's how I write. I've been accused of purple prose in the past, and the chances it'll change are very minimal.

I'm not saying it's not a good style - it never feels too hard to work through - just that it slows down at times when it maybe shouldn't, if that makes sense?

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Raef's eye blazed fiercely
Should be "eyes" (plural), unless you mean something that has otherwise gone unmentioned up to this point. In the next paragraph you say "the angel's left eye shone", but you either need to specify "left" in the above line, or correct it to "eyes" because it isn't mentioned prior to said line.
It harkens all the way back to the prologue and how his eyes are different.[/quote]
That makes sense, but as it is worded, it appears to be a typo. When I first read it my first instinct was that you missed an "s" there. It's only when I got to the next paragraph that I realized it was intentional. I still maintain that you should indicate which eye in that particular line.



Also, while this is still on my shortlist of M:EM responsibilities, I have just been sucked into HPMOR, so I haven't actually read any further yet.

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That makes sense, but as it is worded, it appears to be a typo. When I first read it my first instinct was that you missed an "s" there. It's only when I got to the next paragraph that I realized it was intentional. I still maintain that you should indicate which eye in that particular line.

Yeah, it's the kind of thing that I know there are some problems with. The first natural inclination is to assume both, and that expectation tends to go forward even when you know a character only has one eye for example. It's human nature to automatically use the baseline for our templates, and when something doesn't fit it, it causes a hiccup in our processing.
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Also, while this is still on my shortlist of M:EM responsibilities, I have just been sucked into HPMOR, so I haven't actually read any further yet.
Hey, it's no biggy. No worries. I'm fully aware of how much this is, so...

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Yeah, it's the kind of thing that I know there are some problems with. The first natural inclination is to assume both, and that expectation tends to go forward even when you know a character only has one eye for example. It's human nature to automatically use the baseline for our templates, and when something doesn't fit it, it causes a hiccup in our processing.

I've been guilty of that many a time. For instance, every time I read about Beryl...

I think part of the problem may be that neither eye is designated as "belonging to" either Raef's or Raefiel's until their internal struggle late in Part 1. You mention that he has two mismatched eyes, but it doesn't go beyond that until Raefiel's left eye flashes and then his right winks out.

Aaaaaaaand I just realized how perfect it is that he's in Ravnica, probably the plane where he's least likely to be asked about his eyes.

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Barinellos wrote:
That makes sense, but as it is worded, it appears to be a typo. When I first read it my first instinct was that you missed an "s" there. It's only when I got to the next paragraph that I realized it was intentional. I still maintain that you should indicate which eye in that particular line.

Yeah, it's the kind of thing that I know there are some problems with. The first natural inclination is to assume both, and that expectation tends to go forward even when you know a character only has one eye for example. It's human nature to automatically use the baseline for our templates, and when something doesn't fit it, it causes a hiccup in our processing.


It's not just tricky when you're reading. I swear to God, every time I write a Beryl story, I do twenty sweeps of the text to look for places where I accidentally write "eyes" out of habit instead of "eye."

And, on the twenty-first sweep, I invariably find something I missed the first twenty times through.

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I've been guilty of that many a time. For instance, every time I read about Beryl...


Hah - speak of the (one-eyed) devil!

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