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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:04 am 
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Well this got out of hand bloody quick...
So, I think I've finally done pretty much everything I need to, at least in broad strokes to get this all out into the aether finally.
I know the world information is a lot to drop onto everybody, and honestly I'm not sure how much anybody around here will even be interested in the world building aspects, but here it all is. Basically an entire world to justify a character that I just half thought up in response to a hypothetical situation that I might have wanted to do at some point.

Apparently that point was now whether I liked it or not.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:38 am 
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I know the world information is a lot to drop onto everybody, and honestly I'm not sure how much anybody around here will even be interested in the world building aspects, but here it all is. Basically an entire world to justify a character that I just half thought up in response to a hypothetical situation that I might have wanted to do at some point.

Well, I'm interested, for one!

I'm just poking my head in here really quickly to say that I don't think I'm going to have much of a chance to really engage with this until the weekend, but it is on my radar as something that I'm looking forward to.

Please excuse a slightly delayed response!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:23 am 
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I really like this take on a Japanese reformation setting. It feels a little like our own Tarkir, with lots of little conflicts and messy paradigm shifts that open up different avenues for storytelling. I also like this take on the samurai archetype - a jaded almost-ronin who fights with spectral weapons, armor, and animal shapes? Very cool imagery there.

Overall, I think Nodeshi and his home plane would make an excellent addition to the Expanded Multiverse. Looking forward to see what creative works will be done with them!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 11:16 pm 
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I really like this take on a Japanese reformation setting. It feels a little like our own Tarkir, with lots of little conflicts and messy paradigm shifts that open up different avenues for storytelling.
Yeah, I wanted to really work the theme angles pretty broadly since that seemed to work for Jakkard.
Probably the biggest conflict is tradition vs progress, which sort of frames the rest of the smaller conflicts. There are others, of course, but it actually was something that came about because the Allied Empire was looking really monolithic, and it occured to me that I needed to break up some secondary races to diversify the planar landscape.

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I also like this take on the samurai archetype - a jaded almost-ronin who fights with spectral weapons, armor, and animal shapes? Very cool imagery there.
Yeah, the imagery came together really quickly. I will admit, there was something I remembered after I started heading in that direction, but after I started formulating the anti-tech angle.
Somewhere in the bubble thread, I suggested an auramancer using umbras to fight giant robots so I could realize my kaiju possibilites. So I accidentally did that.

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Overall, I think Nodeshi and his home plane would make an excellent addition to the Expanded Multiverse. Looking forward to see what creative works will be done with them!
I'd be interested to see where he ends up.
I will say, I think he's been to Jakkard.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:13 pm 
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So far, I've read only Nodeshi's backstory.

As usual, your writing is extremely fluid and propelling.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:58 pm 
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So far, I've read only Nodeshi's backstory.

As usual, your writing is extremely fluid and propelling.

Thank you much.

Though this was a tough piece to put together without the world. I started on the concept and discovered I had to lay a LOT of groundwork to even get to his origin.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:01 pm 
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I finally had the chance to peruse this yesterday, and I'm glad that I did, because I enjoyed this all very much. Thanks for sharing, Barinellos!

In terms of the world -- does it not have a name yet, or did I somehow just completely gloss over that? -- I sort of find myself drawn towards the golbins and the merfolk, of all people. I'm always happy to see goblins being depicted as something other than anarchic morons, so I like the notion that they're sort of the technical experts on this plane. And I similarly like the vibe of the merfolk sort of controlling commerce, by virtue of owning the waterways.

As for Nodeshi himself, I find myself vey much wondering if, now that he is travelling the Eternities, he will eventually run across something which will lead him to question his sort of stark philosophy about the merits of artifice versus magic. This may seem awfully random, but I sort of imagined him running across someone with a very clever prosthetic limb, and wondering how he would react to that. Weirdly-specific, I know, but that was what leapt to mind.

Anyway, I'll be excited to see how things grow from here!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:02 am 
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I finally had the chance to peruse this yesterday, and I'm glad that I did, because I enjoyed this all very much. Thanks for sharing, Barinellos!
That's certainly vindicating. (with all sincerity)
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In terms of the world -- does it not have a name yet, or did I somehow just completely gloss over that?

It uh.... does not. I kept trying on names, but none of them fit right. They just felt funny.
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I sort of find myself drawn towards the golbins and the merfolk, of all people. I'm always happy to see goblins being depicted as something other than anarchic morons, so I like the notion that they're sort of the technical experts on this plane. And I similarly like the vibe of the merfolk sort of controlling commerce, by virtue of owning the waterways.
I'm pretty pleased with this dynamic too, if I say so myself.
The idea that the agents of change are the red portion of the world, and the blue are actually, ostensibly, the unchanging permanence through entire periods of history?... It's a paradigm that I think just ooooozes with inverse satisfaction.
That said, the goblins getting this three beat waltz of barbarians to serfs to masters of industry is just this fascinating thing, but I think, during all of that, the core of the goblins stays consistent. It's their methods that change.

As to the merfolk, I really liked their presence as an old world power that eventually decides its position is secure enough to tell the rest of the world to bugger off is really potent. The idea that they held all the cards they needed for so long is kind of a fascinating thing.

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As for Nodeshi himself, I find myself vey much wondering if, now that he is travelling the Eternities, he will eventually run across something which will lead him to question his sort of stark philosophy about the merits of artifice versus magic. This may seem awfully random, but I sort of imagined him running across someone with a very clever prosthetic limb, and wondering how he would react to that. Weirdly-specific, I know, but that was what leapt to mind.

Probably with a distasteful moue and then nothing said about it. It would be impolite.
By the same merit, he has an equal opportunity to run into a Phyrexian and get to say "dis is what I be sayin all along!"
I don't think there is much that is going to shake his viewpoint on artifice. Small things are inconsequential, easily ignored. It is when artifice takes over lives... that is what gets his hackles up. It's that kind of thing that partly drove him to further explore the :g: in himself, and it's.... kinda reinforced concepts there. The natural world is a beautiful thing to him.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:48 pm 
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I finally got to this! I really like it. No surprise there, of course, but I really think that for a small plane without a huge amount of information at the moment you've really got something here that's very resonant and dynamic. I really like the character conceptually too--there's a lot of interesting material here and a lot of interesting directions to go in (Nodeshi vs Zent? I'd loooove to see that).

The one thing I'll say by way of critique is that I feel like his introductory story straddles a line uncomfortably between dossier and narrative. At points it feels more like a story in its own right, and at points (towards the end mostly) it feels very thinly sketched more like an account of the basic narrative, if that makes sense. It's as well written as your work always is, but it feels a little torn on what it's trying to be.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:13 pm 
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The one thing I'll say by way of critique is that I feel like his introductory story straddles a line uncomfortably between dossier and narrative. At points it feels more like a story in its own right, and at points (towards the end mostly) it feels very thinly sketched more like an account of the basic narrative, if that makes sense. It's as well written as your work always is, but it feels a little torn on what it's trying to be.

It's not the first time. I mean, that is essentially what "From the Notes of Raleris: Rishima, Queen of the Black Sands" (this current week's Highlighted M:EMory, by the way!) is, and you and Barinellos collaborated on that one. It does make them a little difficult to categorize, by hey, they're interesting.

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I finally got to this! I really like it. No surprise there, of course, but I really think that for a small plane without a huge amount of information at the moment you've really got something here that's very resonant and dynamic. I really like the character conceptually too--there's a lot of interesting material here and a lot of interesting directions to go in (Nodeshi vs Zent? I'd loooove to see that).
I won't lie that I have this sort of Omniverse idea of Saigo using his big Aura to become a giant Ultraman-esque figure and get in a fight with a mecha Phyrexian Colossus or a Phyrexian Dreadnought.
I am mildly sad to say that this was an idea I had months ago and, quite frankly, unintentionally incorporated into him.

There's actually a lot of things I unintentionally did in him and it took weeks for me to realize it. Still, I ain't complaining!

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The one thing I'll say by way of critique is that I feel like his introductory story straddles a line uncomfortably between dossier and narrative. At points it feels more like a story in its own right, and at points (towards the end mostly) it feels very thinly sketched more like an account of the basic narrative, if that makes sense. It's as well written as your work always is, but it feels a little torn on what it's trying to be.

Well... you're not wrong, but at the end of the day, it's really supposed to be a dossier.
It's just... bare bones in fact, it didn't carry the right weight for the kind of momentous shift this represents for a character like him. Hell, that's the entire reason I had to construct the world, to set the stage for the drama and holy crap I should maybe add Thespian's Stage to his deck.... sorry, I was just overcome with a kabuki impulse there.

But anyways, no, I don't think as a pure dossier it would have worked, because in some respects, you have to get the right frame of reference for the whys. Just telling how the character acts in the situation wouldn't carry the kick to really make you understand the samurai's plight. As I was putting him together, I understood the Meiji Reformation and how much upheaval that presented, but I'm not Japanese, and I couldn't assume that people that read this would be familiar with the period either. In the modern day, I don't think many people would sympathize with the character with only the facts of his origin. The background and time were very very different from now...

So I had to present the facts, and MAKE people understand by presenting the kind of pathos that they could relate to. And I hope I did that at least, even if it came across a little cloudy.

For the record, and full disclosure, I've kind of wanted to come back in and tweak some of the details of the world, mostly in dealing with the Oni. Because, by kami as my witness, I will find some way to make a Red Oni/ Blue Oni joke.....
As a further aside, I'm not sure if this really had to be said, but I sort of went out of my way to capture the essence of the mythology without doing a lot to copy Kamigawa, to the point that I don't think Spirit is going to be a very common type on this world. But it did lead me to some interesting study while I was at it. In a lot of ways, Kamigawa didn't encapsulate the most common Japanese eras, but actually harkened back to the Jomon era where so much of the Shinto beliefs were codified, managing to avoid evoking much of either the Edo period or the Sengoku period. By contrast, while Kamigawa followed deep into the Shinto model, I chose to focus more on the development of Zen Buddhism to model the beliefs after. Given that, one of the card reprints I'd considered is The Wheel of the Sun and Moon because I feel like it does a lot for that.

And I really just wanted to talk about this since I don't know if anybody actually caught any of it....

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The character doesn't do much for me (which doesn't mean its bad), but I like the little world you've made here. It feels small, but rich. Also not too small to exclude future authors. Nice one.

(I can't comment more, since I'm not familiar with the material you based this on, but I want to get into the habit of commenting more/again.)

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:05 am 
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The character doesn't do much for me (which doesn't mean its bad)
It's cool. I know I tend to make kind of niche characters.
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but I like the little world you've made here. It feels small, but rich. Also not too small to exclude future authors. Nice one.
Yeah, I'm actually really hoping that someone will feel like picking up and writing something here. I've had... bit of a poor track record for worlds that want to be used, but I'm hoping there's enough here to pique someone's interest.

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I kind of wanted to vet this by running it through people first, but part of the ideas I've been having with Saigo is the entire aspect of his aura going off on its own.
And there's a specific mechanic that I kind of want to tie into that, but it carries with it a bit of worrisome lore baggage if I want to approach it.

Manifest

I just feel, that at its most basic aesthetic, this does an approximate job of the formless nature of Saigo's aura when he isn't directing it. Partly though, it's also the fact that I'm trying to wrap up an overarching hierarchy for his skills and how they flow from one to another. Basically, manifest is to the formless aura as enchantment creatures are to his Shaped Aura.

Do you think it's overstepping the boundaries to do it, or will it be fine?

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