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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2015 3:07 pm 
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So I like the backstory you have so far! I feel like I also have a better sense of dynamancy--it now seems to be very movement based which is awesome and which I think could result in some really great visuals of spellcasting through physical movement.

His status as maybe a mild speciesist or human supremacist is pretty fascinating in the context of a highly diverse multiverse and I think is maybe worth exploring further. I like that so far.

Reading over the current document I can't help but think that we're starting to get the makings in M:EM of a pretty good range of characters for a Tournament Arc... Phelix, Lukas, Asher, Jinsen, Kimberley, Kahr... yeah we could get a solid tournament out of that.

I'm curious to see where you'll go with this.

Also, I think it's funny that we've got two male rw planeswalkers being worked on right now by (relative) newcomers. Just an interesting coincidence.


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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 3:04 am 
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You think he and Lukas wouldn't get along? I mean obv. we don't have a lot to go on yet but I'd think Lukas's whole "kill all the demons" thing would make them natural allies. (By the same token, I can see him and Jinsen not getting along because of the whole coolness vs rashness thiiiiooooh wow it'd be like Jin and Mugen ok this needs to happen now AND ALOISE CAN BE FUU YES I AM SO READY FOR THIS [puts on a kimono; hauls out a set of turntables and some hip hop records])


Having now read Jinsen's dossier, I can definitely see a Samarai Champloo vibe there
also if they did meet, for some reason i see it going a lot like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzWVsqlgutU
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His status as maybe a mild speciesist or human supremacist is pretty fascinating in the context of a highly diverse multiverse and I think is maybe worth exploring further. I like that so far.


I'd say he's more speciesist that supremacist, and yeah was born out of an idea that has long ago been bouncing around in my head of what would a human planeswalker be like if he came from a plane where humans were just as widespread as other planes, but were at the bottom rung of society,and had been for centuries. Seeing as most of the more canon planes have humans as either dominant or at least on equal footing with the other races. As i was working on his backstory I also began building more of the finer points of the castes and the plane itself, as at some point it might be interesting for some of the other walkers both human and non human that I've read about find themselves there.

Reading over the current document I can't help but think that we're starting to get the makings in M:EM of a pretty good range of characters for a Tournament Arc... Phelix, Lukas, Asher, Jinsen, Kimberley, Kahr... yeah we could get a solid tournament out of that.

This needs to happen.....that is all.



Last but not least:

Phelix's history is complete!


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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 1:26 pm 
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Reading over the current document I can't help but think that we're starting to get the makings in M:EM of a pretty good range of characters for a Tournament Arc... Phelix, Lukas, Asher, Jinsen, Kimberley, Kahr... yeah we could get a solid tournament out of that.

This needs to happen.....that is all.
I'll draw up a roster tree.

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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 2:33 pm 
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Reading over the current document I can't help but think that we're starting to get the makings in M:EM of a pretty good range of characters for a Tournament Arc... Phelix, Lukas, Asher, Jinsen, Kimberley, Kahr... yeah we could get a solid tournament out of that.

This needs to happen.....that is all.
I'll draw up a roster tree.


Hehe, while the idea is good in theory, it would take uh... quite the plot hook to convince Jinsen to battle in a tournament at all. I mean, Kimberley would be ecstatic for the opportunity - gives her a chance to prove herself, you know? - but Jinsen doesn't need to prove himself, and I'm not confident he would be willing to draw his blade for glory or whatever prize goes to the winner.

Also, with the current roster I don't think there's really an outcome where he doesn't win. Asher and Lukas would put up a good fight via their advanced magical capabilities, and Kahr represents - after all of his battle magic - someone who can go toe-to-toe with Jinsen.

Honestly, I think he would just be happy to watch Kimberley participate, which I think is sort of adorable. As long as the tournament isn't like, FIGHT TO THE DEATH HIGH STAKES DEATHMATCH EXTRAVAGANZA he would not have a problem with it. Actually, it would be sort of cliche, but I think it would be interesting if Kimberley won a bout against a particularly sore loser, and then that person takes a cheap shot at her (either later or immediately) and Jinsen steps in immediately to protect her.

Hehe, tournament arcs. Man, that was like... my whole childhood. Dragon Ball Z and Yuyu Hakusho. Good times. Anyway, all this rambling means I'm interested so there's that.

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Hehe, while the idea is good in theory, it would take uh... quite the plot hook to convince Jinsen to battle in a tournament at all. I mean, Kimberley would be ecstatic for the opportunity - gives her a chance to prove herself, you know? - but Jinsen doesn't need to prove himself, and I'm not confident he would be willing to draw his blade for glory or whatever prize goes to the winner.
Alternate reality mass kidnapping. Problem solved.

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Also, with the current roster I don't think there's really an outcome where he doesn't win. Asher and Lukas would put up a good fight via their advanced magical capabilities, and Kahr represents - after all of his battle magic - someone who can go toe-to-toe with Jinsen.
With the current roster, but the roster would surely be larger than that. I mean Raef would slot right in and he might not have the edge of experience (though he's got a helluva lot of it under his belt) he's also, strictly speaking, a little more than human now. I don't think he'd win, but I don't think Jinsen would breeze through him either. Gotta make him WORK for it.

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Hehe, tournament arcs. Man, that was like... my whole childhood. Dragon Ball Z and Yuyu Hakusho. Good times. Anyway, all this rambling means I'm interested so there's that.
I love Yuyu Hakusho, don't get me wrong, but BOY did that one go off the rails once they decided to do the tournament arcs. Dark Tourney was fantastic, but holy hell it was nothing but tournaments after that.

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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 2:12 am 
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Hehe, tournament arcs. Man, that was like... my whole childhood. Dragon Ball Z and Yuyu Hakusho. Good times. Anyway, all this rambling means I'm interested so there's that.
I love Yuyu Hakusho, don't get me wrong, but BOY did that one go off the rails once they decided to do the tournament arcs. Dark Tourney was fantastic, but holy hell it was nothing but tournaments after that.[/quote]




Ah yuyu Hakusho...good times.

Though if I may continue to throw 2 more cents in, I could see this tournament could end up with a more of a Mortal Kombat bet to it

just spit-balling here but something like....

Starts out as standard tournament style
eventually hidden purpose of tournament is revealed
[insert oldwalker/villlain/both] shenanigans that are afoot
cue team up/alliances/betrayals all that good plot stuff
leading to final battle
[insert battle/plot/other things here]
Conclusion
Roll credits
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The moral of this story is that I should not be drinking Redbull this late, but you get the gist.


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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 2:52 am 
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Mortal Kombat tournaments never made sense to me. They weren't tournaments at all. You just fight everyone. So, if there were, say, 16 fighters, wouldn't you only actually fight four of them? And with all those fatalities, you'd run through your roster pretty quickly, even if you tried to justify it as a round robin tourney.

Anyway, I agree that Jinsen would be OP, and would need to be significantly nerfed if we were to include him. That being said, I do have several martial characters that would fit. Remember that, when heavily enchanted, Daneera stood toe to toe with Kahr. Donagut is also a hand-to-paw fighter, although he would certainly be an underdog ( :rofl: ). Sundar Elarion is also a talented hand-to-hand fighter. We've also seen Tryst fight, Gale has shown some dexterity, and there's always Sava Pith, as well. If the prize is rich enough, Vasilias might make Renn fight, who would be over-matched, but very difficult to hit. Ethal is a warrior, but she wouldn't do well out of water. Raiker Venn is a surprisingly talented fighter, but his powers put him into that same OP level, so best not to include him. Finally, we could put Nick D'Arteri in. He could probably fit.


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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 9:01 am 
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Mortal Kombat tournaments never made sense to me. They weren't tournaments at all. You just fight everyone. So, if there were, say, 16 fighters, wouldn't you only actually fight four of them? And with all those fatalities, you'd run through your roster pretty quickly, even if you tried to justify it as a round robin tourney.

Anyway, I agree that Jinsen would be OP, and would need to be significantly nerfed if we were to include him. That being said, I do have several martial characters that would fit. Remember that, when heavily enchanted, Daneera stood toe to toe with Kahr. Donagut is also a hand-to-paw fighter, although he would certainly be an underdog ( :rofl: ). Sundar Elarion is also a talented hand-to-hand fighter. We've also seen Tryst fight, Gale has shown some dexterity, and there's always Sava Pith, as well. If the prize is rich enough, Vasilias might make Renn fight, who would be over-matched, but very difficult to hit. Ethal is a warrior, but she wouldn't do well out of water. Raiker Venn is a surprisingly talented fighter, but his powers put him into that same OP level, so best not to include him. Finally, we could put Nick D'Arteri in. He could probably fit.

Hrmm... I don't think I would have too many characters to contribute to this, I'm afraid.

I can't see Beryl ever participating in something like this of her own volition. She already feels enough guilt about hurting people when she feels like she has a good justification for doing it; I don't think she'd ever engage in recreational violence. She'd have to be under a very dire compulsion of some sort.

Also, she'd probably burn the arena down, which would sort of tend to bring proceedings to a premature halt.

I think that Gale can be a very dangerous, very athletic fighter when she needs to be, but her style of brawling is optimized for settling a bare-knuckled dispute in a grog hall, or knifing a raider on the deck of a pitching ship. I think she would be very hard to hit -- she moves very well, and she has a superb sense of balance to go along with great reflexes. But she's no swashbuckler. Her violence is close-range and opportunistic -- it wouldn't translate very well to this sort of affair. And, again, I'm not sure why she would want to participate -- fighting's not how she gets her thrills.

Tryst would be interesting, but, again, I don't think this is the sort of format she'd thrive in. She's very lethal at close range -- she knows how to kill with her teeth and claws and tail, and, my sense is that, once the scent of blood is in her nostrils, she would be a very scary person to fight. But she's exclusively a bare-hands sort of killer -- she doesn't ever carry a weapon. And, while I think that she could take down even the most skilled warrior with the biggest ax, she'd be relying upon the element of surprise to do it. She'd be waiting for you, in a dark corner, at the one moment when you thought you were absolutely safe, when you assumed that no one could possibly get to you. That's when you probably feel a little pinch at the base of your spine, as her tail slides surgically between two of your vertebrae, and -- suddenly -- your legs don't work anymore. Then, the next -- and last -- thing you're going to see are a pair of yellow eyes with slit pupils glinting at you through the darkness as Tryst rips your throat out with her bare claws. If she's going to kill you without siphoning your life essence out through your skull, then that's probably how it's going to happen. And that's not exactly conducive to a gladiatorial-style contest.

Honestly, Jackie would be the most interesting combatant among the bunch, assuming that she could hitch a ride off of Jakkard, and that she was allowed to bring her revolver. Trouble is, she's not interested in this sort of contest. She treats violence as a tool of her profession; it's not something she engages in for sport. I'm reminded of the meeting I imagined her having with Merritt, Raven's shootist:

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Merritt moved to stand next to the black-clad woman, who was sitting at the bar. She did not stand up as he approached.

"Suppose I were to invite you to step outside, right now," he said, laying his hands flat on the bar's polished wooden top as he did, so that, were she to decide to pull on him, no one in the crowd of hushed onlookers could possibly accuse him of having made the first move. "What would you say to that?"

The woman did not turn to look at him. Her eyes remained fixed on her glass, which she drained, before motioning for the barkeep to bring her another.

"I'd say I'm no shootist," she said, "and I ain't fixing to become one. I don't fire at a man unless I intend to kill him, and I don't kill a man unless I have a good reason." Her shoulders shrugged. "In my book, a good reason is he's threatening me, or he's wronging me, or he has something which I very much want. You haven't wronged me, so far as I know. You haven't threatened me -- yet. And I can't see that you have anything I much want."

"I have my honor as a shootist," Merritt said. "That's rarer than iron, and it's worth more than gold."

"Don't get me wrong," the woman said. She turned to face him then, and he saw her red eyes staring back at him from beneath the brim of her black hat. "I put a lot of stock in honor myself. Right up until the moment it threatens to get me killed, that is. I don't like to steal what I can't spend."

He held her gaze. He had not moved his hands. They were still pressed, palms-down, against the bar.

"I know you're fast," he said.

"So I've been told," she said.

"I think I'm faster," he said.

"You might well be," she said. "If you really want to find out, you can always draw on me." She stood up then, and fished around in the pocket of her serape for some coins, which she left on the bar. "But I can tell you this much right now. I suspect that the Waste would be a less colorful place without you in it. I know it would be less colorful without me."

She smiled at him, and touched the brim of her hat.

"The Waste needs color, Mister Merritt," she said. "Why spoil a good thing?"

And, with that, she walked past him.

His hands didn't budge until he heard the saloon doors swing shut behind him.

So, I don't think Jackie's going to fight in this tournament.

She would, however, rob the betting window blind while everybody else was preoccupied with watching the fight. :D

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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 12:40 pm 
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She would, however, rob the betting window blind while everybody else was preoccupied with watching the fight. :D

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She would, however, rob the betting window blind while everybody else was preoccupied with watching the fight. :D
That entirely depends on if Alessa gets there first.

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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2015 3:27 pm 
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You know, this tournament thing could be an interesting non-canon writing exercise for us. We'll draw up the brackets, and then someone, preferably someone who doesn't have any characters involved, randomly selects a winner by coin flip or whatever, and then one of us writes that match-up.

It could be fun.

And, seeing as how it's non-canon, it seems to me that we have an inter-planar Arena just lying around...


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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 1:16 am 
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And, seeing as how it's non-canon, it seems to me that we have an inter-planar Arena just lying around...

As scruffy said:
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