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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 9:37 am 
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Ever wondered what would happend if phyrexians came to Theros?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 1:31 pm 
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Did you mean to attach the image of the new Heliod card to your post?

The reveals so far feels like a time skip must have happened. Everything progressed so quickly. (I also think it was a mistake to preview an Aftermath card already.)

I am most sad about Ayara. I think she was the most interesting character on Eldraine, outside of Linden (who deserves her own four-color or four-color-identity card).

My speculation: Multiple characters will have their latent sparks ignite in the invasion and we will get Origins-style creature-to-planeswalker cards for them, on top of traditional planeswalker cards.


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Everybody thought Theros was the one plane they couldn't Phyrexianize. Does not appear to be the case. Even then, you'd think it would take a whole lot of work to Phyrexianize enough believers to convert the god. Wouldn't the god be immune until that point? And fighting you? Of course Heliod was imprisoned, so he may be a willing collaborator.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:35 pm 
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The story in general seems to jump ahead a good amount, like so much progress is made so quickly.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2023 3:16 pm 
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Compleating a god was a bit of a surprise, but I remember speculation that a phyrexian invasion of Theros would have caused Phyrexian God(s) to emerge (possibly a nyx version of Yawgmoth) but it's not too far off..

As for previewing Aftermath already... I mean Martyrs' Tomb was in the same set as Last Stand, so I guess it would be too much to ask for the epilogue to be held for the epilogue set now that we have one (eyes roll)

It really does feel overall like ONE/MOM is trying to be Invasion Block. Specifically, I suppose, DMU was Invasion (where the Phyrexians ended their subtlety and went after Dominaria), ONE was Planeshift (Where planeswalkers got together with superweapons to destroy Phyrexia), and MOM here is Apocalypse (Where everything goes to hell before somehow the Phyrexians are beaten). For my expectations of the current storyline it's... a better imitation than I would have feared. Still not wholly pleasing but for me at least it's exceeded the buried limbo bar of expectations.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2023 4:06 pm 
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Mind you, MOM has a set aftermath. This is when things are at their bleakest, and then the cleanup.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 12:10 pm 
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...really? everything happens on all planes all at once? Suddenly there are enough Phyrexians on all the planes to dominante some whole planes? I'm really getting fed up with this kind of stupid storytelling. Why would Yargle and Multani team up? Or Thalia and Gitrog? Surely there must be more logica partners for them? It just feel like fan service all over.

Was just reading 'Th Art of the Rath Cycle'....this is just garbage in comparison. I would like to go back to the times when the background for planes and peoples were actually fleshed out.


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I have a feeling MoM takes places over many years and we see the whole conflict all at once. Or yeah its just garbage

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:07 pm 
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To be fair A) the phyrexians have access to a new version of the oil that is highly contagious and can easily convert new resources, B) it's the Machine Orthodoxy, the faction that came to power through sheer number.

Hell, their whole Basilica is made of OSSIFIED PHYREXIANS. They have more than enough to spare.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:44 pm 
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Ok....but enough to take on what? TEN other planes all at once? And the new tellsell-superfast oil also feels....very lame.

It also feels incredibly stupid to spread out to all those planes all at once and not just...you know...take them out one at a time .

I actually like the new phyrexia art direction and worldbuilding...but this story feels very bad IMO.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:55 pm 
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Going one by one makes more sense when you operate like a traditional army. But the new Phyrexians are so incredibly virulent that it makes sense to attack in all directions, because even if your first strike is defeated, you leave behind oil to start again. They can't have their supply lines strained, because everything they kill or touch adds to their forces. They can operate more like a smart virus than an army.

That said, I do think making them so powerful so quickly does detract the visceralness. If the Phyrexian takeover was always so inevitable, their war on Mirrodin back in Scars would be less tense because you knew the Mirrans had no chance. There was tension before in that the Phyrexians would have a harder time colonizing worlds that aren't ripe metal. Now, you know the Phyrexians are going to be winning until the heroes pull off their brilliant turnaround.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:37 am 
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Plus Elesh Norn wants everyone to be converted due to her twisted morality. She is impatient for everyone to enjoy what she considers glory.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 11:23 am 
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I brought up before the speed at which she generated an unstoppable army on a tiny artificial plane without many resources and I checked the timeline and it's not better. As per the timeline on MTG wiki (so I'm open to it being wrong), she took control of the black and and red factions in 4558 and in 4562 she invades the multiverse. They said she has "millions" of invaders, so I'm gong to put that at a minimum of 2 million invaders (the lowest number of multiple millions we can have). She produced 500,000 surplus warriors each year since she took power. This isn't accounting for the ones lost to fighting in Dominaria, lost to infighting between the factions, or lost to Elesh Norn's decorative tastes. I just want to know where they are all coming from? We've been told for a while that Mirrodin was a small planet and it wasn't densely populated. Plus the original completion process was usually fatal and people exposed to the oil often died instead of being converted so how many base Mirrans are there that she was able to convert? I understand that they're growing these warriors in pods or vats or something but the scale of this operation must be MASSIVE to produce so many in such a short time. It's also surprising she hasn't consolidated her powerbase. If she can overrun other worlds I feel like swarming and dominating Urabrask would not be hard to do either.

I think a Phyrexian civil war where the five factions are equal and their brutality was focused on each other would've been personally something I enjoy. I do not enjoy the notion of every plane becoming phyrexianized and their defining traits corrupted. The new Heliod card just makes me sad because if he can go you know the whole pantheon's going to go the same way. I think that the writers are going to have to pull some serious deus ex machina to undo everything or else most of these planes will be damaged beyond recognition. The ones that have already fallen can't be expanded upon so they're limiting future design space that way. I think it'll come back to time travel stuff to undo it.

Ironically Slobad giving up his spark to return the new generations to life was one of the worst decisions he could've made for the multiverse since a dead plane would not have given rise to the Phyrexians.

Forgive me if I'm coming across unnecessarily grouchy and negative. I've enjoyed some of their more recent sets and thought the planes were cool, I just find this particular arc very dumb and frustrating.


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Whatever my feelings about the New Phyrexian storyline, i really hope the repercussions of it don't blur the lines between the planes. One of the things that has kept me hooked on the game for 28 years are the different worlds. Blurring them and the characters from them feels almost as bad as a world where i can cast my Jodah alongside Aragorn, Rick, Zangief and Optimus Prime.

The team-up cards also mostly make me feel bad so far. I mean; the Yargle and Multani card is just horrible: this is the important and wise maro sorcerer that forged an aliance with Urza, transformed into a gimmicky clown before your very eyes. I feel the Gitrog/Thalia card also really hurts both characters, but especially Gitrog....remember that short story? One of the best! This is what it led to folks! :(

The argument that 'they join forces to fight Phyriexia' feels so forced. Thalia, famed slayer of monsters that threaten man, joins forces with a well known maneater. It just feels grating to me and not very much fun at all.


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For why she didn't destroy Urabrask at first, the Tezzeret story implies she showed him and Sheoldred mercy. Hopefully not anymore; in the main story we do not know what happened to Urabrask's battalion, but they were clearly outnumbered and only meant to be a distraction

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Logically speaking, it doesn't make a lot of sense that the Phyrexians have accumulated enough resources to invade dozens of planes at once in a few short years. But I don't find myself caring, because of the Rule of Cool.

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With MTG the laws of themodynamics are not in effect. And again, their infectious presence quickly converts resources on the inveded planes.

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