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Author:  CalaveraGolem [ Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:03 pm ]
Post subject:  PW creature types
I got bored and came up with this. As I'm a "newer player" starting around time spiral I'm more familiar with the newer pw and figured I'd let more knowelegbe people help fill in.

AJani- Legendary Creature- Cat Shaman Warrior

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Jace- Legendary Creature- Human Wizard (Pirate if on Ixalan)

Liliana- Legendary Creature- Human Warlock

Chandra- Legendary Creature- Human Shaman Monk (Rebel during Kaladesh)

Garruk- Legendary Creature- Human Druid

Elspeth -Legendary Creature- Human Knight

Tezzeret -Legendary Artifact Creature- Human Artificer

Sarkhan- Legendary Creature- Human Shaman and Legendary Creature- Dragon when transformed

Bolas - Legendary Creature- Elder Dragon Wizard
(I think Bolas being a studier of magic and masters all the colors of mana would place him as a wizard)

Sorin- Legendary Creature- Vampire Nobel (once Human Nobel)

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Nissa- Legendary Creature- Elf Druid (no longer a Scout)

Gideon- Legendary Creature- Human Solider (Ally on zendikar)

Koth- Legendary Creature- Human Shaman Rebel

Venser- Legendary Creature- Human Wizard

Karn- Legendary Artifact Creature- Golem Artificer

Tamiyo-Legendary Creature- Moonfolk Wizard

Tibalt- Legendary Creature- Devil Human Warlock (once just Human Warlock)

Vraska - Legendary Creature- Gorgon Assassin (Pirate on Ixalan)

Domri-Legendary Creature- Human Druid

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Ral -Legendary Creature- Human Wizard

Ashiok -Legendary Creature- Wizard

Going with the Arcanis idea here with just a class

Xenagos -Legendary Creature- Satyr Rebel (later -Legendary Enchantment Creature- Satyr God)

Kiora -Legendary Creature- Merfolk Druid

Dack -Legendary Creature- Human Rouge

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Nahiri -Legendary Creature- Kor Artificer

Gosh there is a lot of Artificers

Teferi-Legendary Creature- Human Wizard

Ob Nixilis -Legendary Creature- Demon Warlock Solider (Formerly Human Warlock Solider)

Ob was a general so I think he would be a Solider.

Daretti-Legendary Creature- Goblin Artificers

I was wondering if Daretti would be considered an artifact creature but I don't think he views his chair to how espers view their aguments .

Freyalise -Legendary Creature- Elf Druid

Magic doesn't support half-elves so I figured just to err on her elf side.

Ugin -Legendary Creature- Spirit Elder Dragon

Narset -Legendary Creature- Human Monk

Arlinn -Legendary Creature- Human Werewolf Shaman (formally Human Werewolf Cleric)

Kaya -Legendary Creature- Human Assassin

Dovin -Legendary Creature- Vedalken Advisor

Saheeli -Legendary Creature- Human Artificer

Samut -Legendary Creature- Human Warrior

Huatli -Legendary Creature- Human Knight

Angrath -Legendary Creature- Minotaur Artificer (Pirate on Ixalan)

Jaya -Legendary Creature- Human Spellshaper Monk

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Rowan and Will -Legendary Creature- Human Knight

Yanling-Legendary Creature- Human Wizard

Yanggu -Legendary Creature- Human Shaman

Vivien -Legendary Creature- Human Archer Scout

Vivien is more ranger imo than druid

Windgrace -Legendary Creature- Car Warrior

Estrid -Legendary Creature- Human Wizard

Aminatou -Legendary Creature- Human Wizard

Davriel -Legendary Creature- Human Warlock

Teyo -Legendary Creature- Human Monk

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Wanderer -Legendary Creature- Warrior

Similar reason to Ashiok I just put her class (even though I'm 99% sure she is a human)

Kasmina -Legendary Creature- Human Wizard

Wrenn -Legendary Creature- Dryad Shaman

Serra -Legendary Creature- Human Cleric

Oko -Legendary Creature- Faerie Shapeshifter Rogue

Calix- Legendary Enchantment Creature- Human Cleric

Lukka- Legendary Creature- Human Solider
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Basri - Legendary Creature- Human Knight Cleric

Urza- Legendary Creature- Human Artificer
Author:  neru [ Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PW creature types
I think Venser and Dovin would also be artificers.
Author:  TPmanW [ Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PW creature types
With warlock being a type now I could see Bolas as one of those.
Author:  Barinellos [ Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PW creature types
CalaveraGolem wrote:
Ajani- Legendary Creature- Cat Cleric Warrior

Ajani main thing is a healer/booster/supporter so cleric fit. I'd wanna add warrior since he's also a decent fighter.

I think Shaman is a better fit over cleric considering the Nacatl culture.

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Sorin- Legendary Creature- Vampire Nobel Knight (once Human Nobel)
Knight seems to kinda fit Sorins combat skills and I don't think he's quite a warlock.

As handy as he is with the Parasite Blade, like 90% of his repertoire is in magic.

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Tibalt- Legendary Creature- Devil Human Warlock (once just Human Warlock)

I mean, the Azra are a thing, but it's... complicated with Tibalt.

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Domri-Legendary Creature- Human Rebel

Just Druid would probably be more accurate.

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Dack -Legendary Creature- Human Artificer Rouge

While he doesn't built artifacts Dack magic was related to them

Yeah, but so is Manic Vandal. He doesn't really have any good justification for artificer.

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Ob Nixilis -Legendary Creature- Demon Warlock Solider (Formerly Human Warlock Solider)

Ob was a general so I think he would be a Solider.

It's a bit complicated, because while he was a general, it was really HIS army and not some lord giving him orders.

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Angrath -Legendary Creature- Minotaur Artificer (Pirate on Ixalan)

I'd argue that being a blacksmith doesn't make you an artificer. More appropriately would probably be warrior.

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Jaya -Legendary Creature- Human Shaman Monk

I'll fight to retain Spellshaper on her type line.

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Rowan and Will -Legendary Creature- Human Knight

Noble rather than Knight

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Teyo -Legendary Creature- Human Cleric

Not sure if Teyo as a shield mage is a cleric or a wizard.
Monk, actually

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Serra -Legendary Creature- Human Cleric
I mean... can you be a cleric to yourself?

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Lukka- Legendary Creature- Human Shaman
I'd argue that Soldier is more apt. He has an innate talent for bonding skills, but I don't think he'd view himself as a shaman as he has no training in such while he's spent most of his life in the guard.
Author:  CalaveraGolem [ Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PW creature types
neru wrote:
I think Venser and Dovin would also be artificers.


Yes on Venser I went back and forth on Dovin. He wasn't so much a builder as an inspector even then thats more of what his magical skill would be best used on a plane like Kaladesh.

TPmanW wrote:
With warlock being a type now I could see Bolas as one of those.


Warlock (and a few other types) haven't that well defined but warlock is meant to be a mage who tapped into dark powers/makes deals with dark forces for power (to lean on the DND flavor). To me that makes me feel like their would be warlocks to Bolas as well as Bolas knowing more than just "dark" magics makes me lean to wizard more but I think if Warlock is more fleshed out he could fit.

Barinellos wrote:
CalaveraGolem wrote:
Ajani- Legendary Creature- Cat Cleric Warrior

Ajani main thing is a healer/booster/supporter so cleric fit. I'd wanna add warrior since he's also a decent fighter.

I think Shaman is a better fit over cleric considering the Nacatl culture.


That does fit more with Naya and such I like it better.

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Tibalt- Legendary Creature- Devil Human Warlock (once just Human Warlock)

I mean, the Azra are a thing, but it's... complicated with Tibalt.[/quote]

As well as what Azra are full, as devils and demons are different being in mtg.

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Domri-Legendary Creature- Human Rebel

Just Druid would probably be more accurate.


Yes on Druid though his whole flavor identity was being the most rebellious punish rebel.

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Dack -Legendary Creature- Human Artificer Rouge

While he doesn't built artifacts Dack magic was related to them

Yeah, but so is Manic Vandal. He doesn't really have any good justification for artificer.


Yeah wasn't full sure if he'd fit

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Ob Nixilis -Legendary Creature- Demon Warlock Solider (Formerly Human Warlock Solider)

Ob was a general so I think he would be a Solider.

It's a bit complicated, because while he was a general, it was really HIS army and not some lord giving him orders.


Yeah but still warrior or knight doesn't quite fit.

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Angrath -Legendary Creature- Minotaur Artificer (Pirate on Ixalan)

I'd argue that being a blacksmith doesn't make you an artificer. More appropriately would probably be warrior.


Nazahn, Revered Bladesmith and Stone Forge Mystic are what I went on.

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Jaya -Legendary Creature- Human Shaman Monk

I'll fight to retain Spellshaper on her type line.


Since Jaya whole thing to keep her and Chandra somewhat different is that Jaya is more controlled and precise while Chandra is bigger and more chaotic I think Spellshaper would be a better fit than Shaman

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Rowan and Will -Legendary Creature- Human Knight

Noble rather than Knight


I forgot they would be Nobles (even if they aren't princess and prince). But they also do use a lot of more fighter skills then just magic, though due to spacing I could see it dropped.


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Serra -Legendary Creature- Human Cleric
I mean... can you be a cleric to yourself?


Well I was thinking again more DnD-healer/good mage for Cleric but that could be a very dark base for a character.

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Lukka- Legendary Creature- Human Shaman
I'd argue that Soldier is more apt. He has an innate talent for bonding skills, but I don't think he'd view himself as a shaman as he has no training in such while he's spent most of his life in the guard.[/quote]
Author:  Barinellos [ Mon Jul 06, 2020 12:40 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PW creature types
CalaveraGolem wrote:
neru wrote:
I think Venser and Dovin would also be artificers.


Yes on Venser I went back and forth on Dovin. He wasn't so much a builder as an inspector even then thats more of what his magical skill would be best used on a plane like Kaladesh.

Wizard is what Venser is on the card, so there's no real fighting it.

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Domri-Legendary Creature- Human Rebel

Just Druid would probably be more accurate.


Yes on Druid though his whole flavor identity was being the most rebellious punish rebel.

But he's not really a rebel, he falls exactly in line with what the Gruul are about. He's a shrimpy little vandal with a golden child complex but he's nowhere near organized enough to earn the rebel typeline.

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Angrath -Legendary Creature- Minotaur Artificer (Pirate on Ixalan)

I'd argue that being a blacksmith doesn't make you an artificer. More appropriately would probably be warrior.


Nazahn, Revered Bladesmith and Stone Forge Mystic are what I went on.

The difference being there's something mystical or special about what those two do, while Angrath... is a mundane blacksmith. Maybe he uses magic to stoke fires, but he's sufficiently run of the mill that he probably doesn't earn the artificer type.
Author:  TPmanW [ Mon Jul 06, 2020 1:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PW creature types
Barinellos wrote:
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Just Druid would probably be more accurate.


Yes on Druid though his whole flavor identity was being the most rebellious punish rebel.

But he's not really a rebel, he falls exactly in line with what the Gruul are about. He's a shrimpy little vandal with a golden child complex but he's nowhere near organized enough to earn the rebel typeline.

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I'd argue that being a blacksmith doesn't make you an artificer. More appropriately would probably be warrior.


Nazahn, Revered Bladesmith and Stone Forge Mystic are what I went on.

The difference being there's something mystical or special about what those two do, while Angrath... is a mundane blacksmith. Maybe he uses magic to stoke fires, but he's sufficiently run of the mill that he probably doesn't earn the artificer type.


Domri might not be a rebel amongst the Gruul, but the Gruul are the rebels of Ravnica, so I'd say it works. I don;t see how you have to be well organized to be a rebel.

I really don't see magic as a prerequisite to be an artificer. I never took Renowned Weaponsmith to be magical.
Author:  Barinellos [ Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PW creature types
TPmanW wrote:
Domri might not be a rebel amongst the Gruul, but the Gruul are the rebels of Ravnica, so I'd say it works. I don;t see how you have to be well organized to be a rebel.

I really don't see magic as a prerequisite to be an artificer. I never took Renowned Weaponsmith to be magical.

I'll concede the point of the smith, but not the Gruul.
The Gruul ARE part of the power structure of the world. They aren't rebelling against it, they're feeding into it.
You'd have to grant all the opposition guilds, the Dimir, Rakdos, and Golgari all rebel types.

Part of why I'm picking on this so fervently is because Wizards ignores things like Rebel. I WANT to see Rebel and Nomad and Mystic and a host of other types that have nuance instead of the 705th soldier card. But if they've no intention of meaningfully using it, then I say we need to adhere to those same rules.
Author:  Heliosphoros [ Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PW creature types
Rebel is in general a weird type to have since most rebel characters aren't typed rebels.

The Gruul do differ from the other guilds in that they're not part of the guildpact, so they're really acting against the system. However, they firmly believe in social darwinism and Domri follows the biggest, hottest dragon he finds, so they're not as much acting for the freedom of others as much as their twisted version of natural selection.

Thus, you can rgue they're fascists like every other guild.
Author:  neru [ Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PW creature types
Heliosphoros wrote:
The Gruul do differ from the other guilds in that they're not part of the guildpact, so they're really acting against the system.

Why do you say this? They signed the Guildpact too. They no longer play the same role they initially had, but they are still one of the ten guilds.
Author:  Heliosphoros [ Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PW creature types
They were written out of the guildpact, at least in the original trilogy. The Boros no longer defended them and the Orzhov enslaved them and yadda yadda.

I don't think they were officialised in the new guildpact either given how they act. Or maybe they were and they're just pricks like everyone else and need to die.
Author:  Barinellos [ Tue Jul 07, 2020 1:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PW creature types
Heliosphoros wrote:
They were written out of the guildpact, at least in the original trilogy. The Boros no longer defended them and the Orzhov enslaved them and yadda yadda.

I don't think they were officialised in the new guildpact either given how they act. Or maybe they were and they're just pricks like everyone else and need to die.

Just because they caused enough anarchy to claim their own territory doesn't mean they weren't still counted in among the magically enforced contract they signed.
And it's disingenuous to say the Orzhov enslaved them. The Orzhov enslaved EVERYONE.

I'm fairly confident they were included in Teysa's Guildpact too. And I'm damn certain they were part of Jace's debacle. They got their voice, they had their representation. They're just anarchist jackasses.
Author:  CalaveraGolem [ Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PW creature types
Edit the original post with the suggestions.

After thinking on with Domri I decided to drop Rebel due to the point that the Gruul are a guild. While they have been give the **** end compared to other guilds, the magic of Ravnica still needs them with the other nine to work. If Domri was more gateless or stated he only was using the Gruul for own ends I think there could be more to say he's a Rebel but Domri did appear to agree with the Gruul ideas as much as most guild member do with other guilds.
Author:  CalaveraGolem [ Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PW creature types
So Tevesh Szat...not sure where to even start lol. He was human and turned to whats been said to be a dragon but not sure if demon and/or horror would also be right. Also berserker seems like the right class as all he did really want and seems to do want destroy civilizations and bring silence.
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