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| Author: | BlackAion [ Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Common information for Planes |
We have around 20 some odd years of lore for MTG. I was wondering if you guys can help me compile information that is common to all planes. I know for a fact that each plane has leylines, and that magical fonts tend to originate near such leylines, along with many other strange effects. Each plane also has elementals/horrors/Pure magical beings with varying power levels. Finally, generally speaking anyone can learn to use magic if taught from early in life. But I do not know if anything else is common. Leylines Magical Beings Anyone can use magic Plane Souls Distance and Position are relevant in the Blind Eternities Raw Mana is generally bad especially in large amounts |
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| Author: | Heliosphoros [ Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Common information for Planes |
Kaladesh doesn't have leylines |
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| Author: | AzureShade [ Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Common information for Planes |
Did Nissa confirm that in a story? I thought it sort of did, in a sense that there were major paths that aether flowed in before spiraling away into various eddies. |
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| Author: | BlackAion [ Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Common information for Planes |
If a plane has a soul it has leylines, Nissa confirmed that I think. |
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| Author: | Heliosphoros [ Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Common information for Planes |
Its more like aetherflows. Remember, aether exists mostly in the air in Kaladesh |
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| Author: | BlackAion [ Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Common information for Planes |
Heliosphoros wrote: Its more like aetherflows. Remember, aether exists mostly in the air in Kaladesh That doesn't mean it doesn't have leylines. The only reason it wouldn't have leylines is because the plane is dead or eldrazi consumed. |
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| Author: | Barinellos [ Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Common information for Planes |
BlackAion wrote: Heliosphoros wrote: Its more like aetherflows. Remember, aether exists mostly in the air in Kaladesh That doesn't mean it doesn't have leylines. The only reason it wouldn't have leylines is because the plane is dead or eldrazi consumed. Not really. This is a bit of a false inference. For a long LONG time they didn't define what leylines were, and they don't actually go into what they mean even once they did. The only worlds they've explicitly given leylines to are Ravnica, Innistrad, Zendikar, and Tarkir. Dominaria probably had a mention of it somewhere, but they weren't significant. I'd also question the omnipresence of planar souls. |
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| Author: | Pavor Nocturnus [ Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Common information for Planes |
Well, there are planes that are just empty planar voids without mana, matter or life, so none of the things mentioned in the OP is technically true for all planes... |
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| Author: | Heliosphoros [ Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Common information for Planes |
Yes. Remember, the only planes we frequent are those that can be interesting for a card game. Iquatana, for example, is pretty hostile to life as we know it. |
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| Author: | BlackAion [ Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Common information for Planes |
I think it less false inference and more we don't know enough to say anything concrete on leylines. Also denying while questioning that very plane has a soul is fine, denying that planes that do have matter and life on them don't have souls is not. Still, we cant say anything until Nissa, the one who talks with worlds, visits a sizable number of worlds |
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| Author: | Barinellos [ Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Common information for Planes |
The fact of the matter is, we have 2 planes that have confirmed possible worldsouls, and Lorwyn, which might have a LOT because that spider thing clashed with all known everything on the matter. (or can we all stop pretending that keeping Ms. Nissa goes to Lorwyn was a good thing? They already retconned the pants off her, spillover onto the worlds themselves is too messy) So we have even less inclination to believe that than we do the leylines. There are slightly more nebulous cases like Progenitus and Animar, but... they don't seem to fit what we know of the likes of Gaea. A little more like Ashaya (as long as you don't lose track of her ) |
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| Author: | WotC_Ethan [ Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Common information for Planes |
Barinellos wrote: BlackAion wrote: Heliosphoros wrote: Its more like aetherflows. Remember, aether exists mostly in the air in Kaladesh That doesn't mean it doesn't have leylines. The only reason it wouldn't have leylines is because the plane is dead or eldrazi consumed. Not really. This is a bit of a false inference. For a long LONG time they didn't define what leylines were, and they don't actually go into what they mean even once they did. The only worlds they've explicitly given leylines to are Ravnica, Innistrad, Zendikar, and Tarkir. Dominaria probably had a mention of it somewhere, but they weren't significant. I'd also question the omnipresence of planar souls. The original Ley Line card was from Mercadian Masques. #WOTCstaff |
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| Author: | LilyStorm [ Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Common information for Planes |
Something I thought of this morning, you can basically guarantee every plane we visit will have a walker native to that plane. You could very loosely infer that every plane has a native planeswalker |
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| Author: | AzureShade [ Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Common information for Planes |
Yeah, the formula pattern I see roughly moving forward is: 2 Gatewatch members, 1 Native 'Walker, 1 Returning non-Gatewatch member. Plus or minus here or there to taste. |
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| Author: | Planechaser [ Tue Mar 14, 2017 9:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Common information for Planes |
Lorwyn has no native planeswalkers. Pre-Sundering Alara did, yes? So far no examples of Post-Conflux Alara planeswalkers. I would believe plane souls (maybe not always embodied) mana, and some FORM of leylines, even if they don't behave as is common. The likelihood of a native planeswalker is also seemingly multiversal. |
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| Author: | LilyStorm [ Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Common information for Planes |
If we revisited lorwyn or any older planes they would make a native walker for it. |
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| Author: | Barinellos [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Common information for Planes |
LilyStorm wrote: If we revisited lorwyn or any older planes they would make a native walker for it. Lorwyn might be problematic. We have VERY unconventional elves, mayfly faeries good for a year or two, unpopular kithkin, created mana beings, non-legged merfolk, giants, and mildly unconventional goblins. So... pretty much boggart or bust out of those options. |
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| Author: | Heliosphoros [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Common information for Planes |
Flamekin are "born" they they can have a spark. |
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| Author: | Barinellos [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Common information for Planes |
Heliosphoros wrote: Flamekin are "born" they they can have a spark. Flamekin are created by the elemental of Mt. Tanufel. They're also mana beings. That said, I'm aware that Doug doesn't seem to know this and answered that they could have Sparks. |
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| Author: | Heliosphoros [ Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Common information for Planes |
I believe that he was aware, since he did conceive them. |
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