It has been brought to my attention recently of our society's hypocrisy towards over-endowed females, and it honestly disgusts me. Though before I start ranting let me backtrack a bit and explain where I'm coming from. This season an anime came out called Occultic Nine that is made by the same man who made Steins Gate. The anime itself, without revealing too much, is a mystery horror that is based off three light novels. One of main female characters, if not the main main character, possesses a bosom roughly the size of her head. The internet blew up on it, many saying the girl was nasty and would be better off in a ecchi or hentai while others honestly liked the character because she was relatable to them and liked that women with over-endowed bosoms were reaching main-stream. However, the latter voices were few and far in-between compared to former. As a result many dropped the anime just because of the female's bosom.



Coming from a family of over-endowed females and being friends with some, I was personally disgusted by people's discriminatory and hypocritical comments. Those that said that the character should be in ecchi and hentai is the same thing as saying this female and anyone that relates to her should be in media where they get debased and made fun of. Such behavior opened my eyes to a side of society that I did not know existed.

What does all of this have to do with Magic the Gathering Art? Well Creative, trying to appeal to all demographics, make a point to not make females mammaries bigger than a certain size. A size I personally see as a bit on the small side. I'm not saying that I want to see females with mammaries bigger than a head. I'm not saying that Creative needs to change, because honestly they are doing the best they can. I am just simply trying to bring light to an issue none of you have probably even noticed or heard about.

It's okay to say the word "breasts", you know.

You're the first person I've encountered who argues that classically attractive women should be more represented in Magic. Frankly, I don't see the need.

As long as she literally never gets into any ecchi situations it's fine. There's still way too much objectification of females aimed at male audiences though.

I don't know that large breasts aren't portrayed in magic, but I don't think that shaming someone's body type is a good thing, even if it is the body type of a fictional person. I do think that it is a good thing for a medium like magic to portray a wide variety of real body types, and if they're avoiding certain body types because of controversy or criticism towards that body type, then that is probably a bad thing.

I thought that if I didn't say breasts, people would take me more seriously which is what I want.

I don't understand what you mean by 'classically attractive woman'.

thin, tall, large breasts, long hair, unblemished skin, 20s, pretty face

that sort of thing, probably.

Bodies are disgusting. And that is my honest opinion not trolling.

You forgot 'Caucasian".

Probably not the best idea for WotC. She might be a lovely character but especially with the gameplay and story segregation in Magic most folks won't get a chance to see past what she can't see her feet past. Fanfiction is a different story but honestly I wouldn't make too much of how busty/not busty a character is unless it matters say for how somebody else reacts to her (Underestimated as 'vapid') or a situation where dimensions become relevant (Squeezing through a narrow place) but it would be really easy to be seen as exploitative and for that to be a legitimate concern.

In any case, it's a mine field. Remember either of these characters?

Velvet Valentine and Tifa Lockheart -- Well-rounded characters with deep psychological drama and intricate plot arcs, but what does everyone talk about? Yeah, that.


It's a nice design, but frankly, nobody cares.

while we're on the topic i gotta ask is boob armor a real thing?

No. Female knights did not exist and even if they did it would be very difficult to craft such armor. In modern times they probably exist as terrible cosplaying things.

I'll admit, I was pensive when I clicked on this, but legitimately, I do think this is an issue.
Back when Overwatch was still in beta, there was a loud group decrying the game as being sexist by not including enough female body types. Except they were talking out their asses. What they took umbrage with was that all the females were classically attractive despite having a broad range of body types. They eventually released Zarya and they trumpeted it as a win against the evils of the patriarchy despite the fact that they were very loudly body shaming anyone that didn't fit their mold of non traditional body types.

Because there's a HUGE degree of hypocrisy coming from that crowd.

So, I'm glad you brought it up.

Short answer: No

Long answer: Females were never integrated into a military tradition that involved plate armor. On the other hand, we have a few examples of sculpted ceremonial pieces that could be described as 'boob armor', and given curiass armor and its sculpting it's likely that there WOULD be boob armor if we had a female warrior tradition especially since women with anything approximating decent endowment, much less "huge tracts of land" would need some accommodation. On the other hand, it's also probable that accommodating the chest area would be better done by a keel structure due to the weakness caused by having a concavity right in the center of the chest.

If you're working in fantasy, boob plate is reasonable enough as long as it's still functional, covering plate armor.



Also, +1 to what Barinellos said...

The thing is, literally all of blizzard's female characters have had the same body type until they released overwatch.

Ignore me I misread your post. Or don't because I'm awesome and need attention. W/e

Boob armor doesn't exist because one of armors main purposes is to redirect pressure off of the body. Boob armor directs it right towards the breastbone, which would shatter it and for the most part, kill you.

On the topic of Yarakan, its one thing for a women to have big boobs, its another thing for them to be sexualized. I also come from a family of women with bigger breasts than usual, but they do not reach the size of Yarakan, especially with her body type/weight. Boob size is genetic to a certain extent, but like any other part of the body, they grow/shrink with weight. Along with that, if you watch the show, they definitely spend a fair amount of the animation budget on making sure those boobs bounce. The camera work in the show focus' on them a lot. The fact that she has big boobs isn't the problem, its that they're sexualized.

You also rarely ever see any equivalent with guys. Anything short of a BL anime, men are rarely sexualized. Even if they have traits that are stereotypically attractive, they are rarely highlighted in a way thats sexualizing or objectifying.

Yarakan reference points, to those who are interested:


On the topic of mtg, its the same. Mtg's not avoiding certain body types, its avoiding making over-sexualized cards. Women in recent mtg history have had big boobs:

I would definitely be down with different body types in mtg, but not a women who's a size two and has triple D's

I'll argue that Chandra isn't especially busty. A lot of that is the boob armor, color scheme, and lighting. She's at most a C, which is relatively average.

Also, I'll argue that men are SUBSTANTIALLY more sexualized in magic these days than women.

You made a very good point. I noticed the sexualizing of the breasts as well. I even read an article saying the producers of the anime made the breasts that big for purely comedy since the anime is apparently is going to get really dark.

I think people are overestimating the amount of hatred well-endowed characters receive. It's a fairly vocal group of complainers, but not an overly large one. It's also important to note that it's not big boobs that draw ire (only in most cases of course), but their overprevalence. The well endowed are very well represented. Bosomy ladies squeeze other body types out of media representation. That's what people are mad about.

For reference: Enthralling Victor.

For what it's worth, I don't think that big-breasted women are exactly underrepresented in (fantasy) fiction. Magic has chosen deliberately to include a variety of body types and I don't think their artists are told they should shun drawing buxom women. What they are told is that they should avoid sexualizing anyone's body on cards that have no business being sexualized. It would be rather weird to see, say, a Knight of the Reliquary in a very sexualized pose because, well, there's nothing about the card or what it represents that requires it. On cards like Enthralling Victor or Rakish Heir, that sort of thing is perfectly okay (and would still be okay if they were women) because that's what the card represents. Especially Victor, who represents a person who is so perfect and, well, enthralling, that you can't help but join their side. As much as it would please me for him to look like me, I don't think that would sell the card as much. You have to understand at a glance why someone would be stricken by their body.

And if we're talking representation of body types, I always find myself thinking about one of my brothers. He's short (1m65, which I think is about 5 foot 5) and has a tendency for chubbiness. Even when he was in really good shape, his muscles would mostly be hidden by fat. Now that'a body type that rarely gets shown as being awesome, attractive or competent. If it's included at all, it will generally be as comic relief. I mean, most of the time I bring this up, people tell me: "Well, we just got Dwarves in Kaladesh," which I find a bit annoying.



I don't even think it's mainly (or only) about the overprevalence. It's a combination of the overprevalence and the fact that it gets needlessly sexualized. I remember seeing a discussing on Suicide Squad where they mentioned how the camera would constantly linger on the butt of Harley Quinn. That sort of thing is the problem, I think. To return to the original example of the anime, if the character just had big breasts, that would probably have been fine, but reading and seeing the examples in this thread, it seems that the animators are going out of their way to draw attention to the breasts and I don't think the story calls for that. (I haven't watched the show, so correct me if I'm wrong.)

To be fair "hot and crazy" is literally Harley Quinn's entire schtick.