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Author: | Planechaser [ Thu Aug 25, 2016 3:38 pm ] |
Post subject: | Known Planeswalkers - Classes |
I'm still working on a MTG D&D 5E campaign on Zendikar (and other planes as time goes by) and to make certain class alterations, I have considered categorizing the cast of planeswalkers into classes valid in 5th Edition, flavorfully OR mechanically. I can use any help I can get in that endeavor. Currently, the biggest problem is matching Druid (5e) to Druid/Shaman that Nissa and others probably are Ajani • Barbarian/Cleric/Paladin Arlinn • Druid? Ashiok • Wizard/Sorcerer/Warlock Bolas • Wizard/Sorcerer Chandra • Druid/Wizard (in the "elemental shaman" kind of way) Dack • Rogue Daretti • Wizard Domri • Druid/Ranger Elspeth • Fighter/Paladin Freyalise • Druid Garruk • Ranger Gideon • Paladin Jace • Mystic/Wizard Karn • ???? Kaya • Rogue Kiora • Druid Koth • Fighter? Liliana • Wizard Nahiri • Druid/Fighter Narset • Wizard? Nissa • Druid Nixilis • Paladin/Sorcerer/Warlock Ral • Sorcerer? Ramaz • Sarkhan • Druid? Sifa • ???? Sorin • Sorcerer/Warlock Tamiyo • Wizard Teferi • Wizard? Tezzeret • Wizard Tibalt • Sorcerer/Warlock Ugin • ???? Venser • Wizard Vraska • Rogue Vronos • Ranger Xenagos • Bard/Druid? |
Author: | AzureShade [ Thu Aug 25, 2016 3:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Known Planeswalkers - Classes |
Here are my suggestions/clarifications. Ajani • Paladin Arlinn • Druid (Circle of the Moon) Ashiok • Wizard/Sorcerer/Warlock? Bolas • Sorcerer (Draconic Bloodline) Chandra • Sorcerer (Elemental Bloodline) Dack • Rogue Daretti • Wizard (Artificer) Domri • Ranger Elspeth • Fighter/Paladin Freyalise • Druid Garruk • Barbarian Gideon • Paladin Jace • Wizard (Illusionist or Enchanter) (At least until they release a Psionics supplement) Karn • A Warforged Cleric Kaya • Rogue Kiora • Druid Koth • Fighter (Swordmage) Liliana • Wizard (Necromancer) Nahiri • Fighter (Swordmage) Narset • Monk Nissa • Druid Nixilis • Anti-Paladin or Warlock Ral • Sorcerer (Elemental Bloodline) Ramaz • Sarkhan • Druid Sifa • ???? Sorin • Vampire Fighter (Swordmage) Tamiyo • Bard Teferi • Wizard Tezzeret • Wizard (Artificer) Tibalt • Warlock Ugin • ???? Venser • Wizard Vraska • Rogue Vronos • Ranger Xenagos • Bard |
Author: | Planechaser [ Thu Aug 25, 2016 4:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Known Planeswalkers - Classes |
AzureShade wrote: Here are my suggestions/clarifications. As for Psionics-- http://dnd.wizards.com/articles/feature ... 3-take-two Ajani • Paladin Arlinn • Druid (Circle of the Moon) Ashiok • Wizard/Sorcerer/Warlock? Bolas • Sorcerer (Draconic Bloodline) Chandra • Sorcerer (Elemental Bloodline) Dack • Rogue Daretti • Wizard (Artificer) Domri • Ranger Elspeth • Fighter/Paladin Freyalise • Druid Garruk • Barbarian Gideon • Paladin Jace • Wizard (Illusionist or Enchanter) (At least until they release a Psionics supplement) Karn • A Warforged Cleric Kaya • Rogue Kiora • Druid Koth • Fighter (Swordmage) Liliana • Wizard (Necromancer) Nahiri • Fighter (Swordmage) Narset • Monk Nissa • Druid Nixilis • Anti-Paladin or Warlock Ral • Sorcerer (Elemental Bloodline) Ramaz • Sarkhan • Druid Sifa • ???? Sorin • Vampire Fighter (Swordmage) Tamiyo • Bard Teferi • Wizard Tezzeret • Wizard (Artificer) Tibalt • Warlock Ugin • ???? Venser • Wizard Vraska • Rogue Vronos • Ranger Xenagos • Bard Also, I figured Sorin would be a Favored Soul Sorcerer. What is the source for Elemental bloodline? |
Author: | AzureShade [ Thu Aug 25, 2016 4:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Known Planeswalkers - Classes |
Planechaser wrote: Also, I figured Sorin would be a Favored Soul Sorcerer. What is the source for Elemental bloodline? There's two or three of them on the DM's Guild Website free for download. Granted, opening up that source will give you a million custom classes and enough normal class specializations to easily cover all of these 'walkers. (Quality may vary, but WotC has pretty much ceded development to its players to cut costs.)
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Author: | Heliosphoros [ Thu Aug 25, 2016 4:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Known Planeswalkers - Classes |
Sorin is a knight. It's kinda of impossible to deny at this point, considering the aesthetics. Full endorsement for bard!Xenagos on my part. |
Author: | Planechaser [ Thu Aug 25, 2016 4:39 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Known Planeswalkers - Classes |
Heliosphoros wrote: Sorin is a knight. It's kinda of impossible to deny at this point, considering the aesthetics. As a knight, doesn't that make him a paladin?
Full endorsement for bard!Xenagos on my part. |
Author: | Barinellos [ Thu Aug 25, 2016 4:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Known Planeswalkers - Classes |
Planechaser wrote: Heliosphoros wrote: Sorin is a knight. It's kinda of impossible to deny at this point, considering the aesthetics. As a knight, doesn't that make him a paladin?Full endorsement for bard!Xenagos on my part. Only if you choose neutral with a negative energy alignment. He's a weird place where he created and is the source of the deity's power. I'd be willing to give my general opinions, but unfortunately I'm not interested in 5th edition so everything us provide would be from the lens of pathfinder. |
Author: | Planechaser [ Thu Aug 25, 2016 5:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Known Planeswalkers - Classes |
Downside is, I'm more inclined towards Pathfinder, but I feel it would be more genuine with D&D. And saying he's a Warlock with a Fiend as a patron, that's a bit iffy as well, since in a way, a demon provided the ritual, an angel's essence was used, and vampirism was born, so it's a bit unclear, though Favored Soul Sorcerer, or some "dark but not evil" Paladin would best fit his character at this time. |
Author: | Barinellos [ Thu Aug 25, 2016 5:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Known Planeswalkers - Classes |
Planechaser wrote: Downside is, I'm more inclined towards Pathfinder, but I feel it would be more genuine with D&D. That would be true of 3rd edition, but both 5th and pathfinder are just derivatives of 3rd edition anyways. All of pathfinder is basically backwards compatible with 3rd edition, so I'll still make up the list, but it will have to wait until I'm off work at least. |
Author: | Planechaser [ Thu Aug 25, 2016 6:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Known Planeswalkers - Classes |
Barinellos wrote: Planechaser wrote: Downside is, I'm more inclined towards Pathfinder, but I feel it would be more genuine with D&D. That would be true of 3rd edition, but both 5th and pathfinder are just derivatives of 3rd edition anyways. All of pathfinder is basically backwards compatible with 3rd edition, so I'll still make up the list, but it will have to wait until I'm off work at least. |
Author: | Barinellos [ Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Known Planeswalkers - Classes |
Well, I'm home now, so as promised, the Pathfinder classes I'd use for the various walkers. Nominally, you could strip some of these down for 5th ed since it's basically just an anemic version of 3.5 Ajani • Paladin Arlinn • Cleric (her deity might have changed, but she's put a lot of levels into cleric) Ashiok • Mesmerist/Summoner Bolas • No player class needed. He's already an ancient wyrm, that comes preloaded with spell like abilities. Chandra • Sorcerer (Elemental Bloodline) Dack • Occultist Daretti • Alchemist (it's not an ideal fit, but it feels more in line than wizard) Domri • Barbarian (he's got crap str stats, but it's appropriate. In fairness though, I just hate him.) Elspeth • Cavalier Freyalise • Druid/Wizard (she started in the wizard class. Those spells never really went away.) Garruk • Ranger (he's got a lot more Ranger skills than Barabarian. It's just a huge Str score.) Gideon • Cavalier Jace • Psychic/Mesmerist Karn • Medium (for flavor reasons mostly) Kaya • Inquisitor (undead focus) Kiora • Summoner Koth • Brawler (Fighter/monk hybrid) Liliana • Arcanist (wizard/sorcerer hybrid) Nahiri • Magus (there's no really good choice for her. All her demonstrated skills are oldwalker level crazy) Narset • Monk Nissa • Hunter (druid/ranger hybrid) Nixilis • Demon kind of overrides the need for a class. Same as with Bolas, the base creature comes loaded to the 9's. Ral • Sorcerer/Alchemist Ramaz • Oracle Sarkhan • Shaman (Oracle/Witch hybrid) Sifa • Bloodrager (barbarian/sorcerer hybrid) Sorin • Paladin Tamiyo • Investigator (alchemist/rogue hybrid) Teferi • Arcanist Tezzeret • Wizard (Artificer) Tibalt • Investigator Ugin • Dragon again. Though probably a weird planar variant. Venser • Sorcerer (it was a natural talent to blink stuff. Everything else was non magical engineering) Vraska • Slayer (rogue/ranger hybrid) Vronos • Inquisitor (also lol Vronos) Xenagos • Bard |
Author: | Planechaser [ Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Known Planeswalkers - Classes |
Barinellos wrote: Well, I'm home now, so as promised, the Pathfinder classes I'd use for the various walkers. Nice! I agree with most, though wouldn't Chandra be a Shaman and choose Flames? Problem I'm hitting mostly is the idea of neglecting so many class features due to them not applying. While I'm not forcing players into being templated from Nissa, if characters like Nissa and Kiora (tho maybe Kiora's not a druid, but just a summoning-type wizard) don't change into animal forms, that's no less than 3 major class features ignored. I intend to alter Wild Shape into something that instead creates something I can only assume is meant to be called an Umbra (Totem Armor) but while that totally could apply to the average Zendikari druid, Nissa doesn't do that either. What's a good solution? I'm sure I may run into similar problems with other established characters, but for now Nissa the Wildshape-less Druid is causing me troubles.
Nominally, you could strip some of these down for 5th ed since it's basically just an anemic version of 3.5 Ajani • Paladin Arlinn • Cleric (her deity might have changed, but she's put a lot of levels into cleric) Ashiok • Mesmerist/Summoner Bolas • No player class needed. He's already an ancient wyrm, that comes preloaded with spell like abilities. Chandra • Sorcerer (Elemental Bloodline) Dack • Occultist Daretti • Alchemist (it's not an ideal fit, but it feels more in line than wizard) Domri • Barbarian (he's got crap str stats, but it's appropriate. In fairness though, I just hate him.) Elspeth • Cavalier Freyalise • Druid/Wizard (she started in the wizard class. Those spells never really went away.) Garruk • Ranger (he's got a lot more Ranger skills than Barabarian. It's just a huge Str score.) Gideon • Cavalier Jace • Psychic/Mesmerist Karn • Medium (for flavor reasons mostly) Kaya • Inquisitor (undead focus) Kiora • Summoner Koth • Brawler (Fighter/monk hybrid) Liliana • Arcanist (wizard/sorcerer hybrid) Nahiri • Magus (there's no really good choice for her. All her demonstrated skills are oldwalker level crazy) Narset • Monk Nissa • Hunter (druid/ranger hybrid) Nixilis • Demon kind of overrides the need for a class. Same as with Bolas, the base creature comes loaded to the 9's. Ral • Sorcerer/Alchemist Ramaz • Oracle Sarkhan • Shaman (Oracle/Witch hybrid) Sifa • Bloodrager (barbarian/sorcerer hybrid) Sorin • Paladin Tamiyo • Investigator (alchemist/rogue hybrid) Teferi • Arcanist Tezzeret • Wizard (Artificer) Tibalt • Investigator Ugin • Dragon again. Though probably a weird planar variant. Venser • Sorcerer (it was a natural talent to blink stuff. Everything else was non magical engineering) Vraska • Slayer (rogue/ranger hybrid) Vronos • Inquisitor (also lol Vronos) Xenagos • Bard |
Author: | Barinellos [ Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Known Planeswalkers - Classes |
Planechaser wrote: Nice! I agree with most, though wouldn't Chandra be a Shaman and choose Flames? in this context, definitely not. Shamans are a spiritual class, literally. Chandra's flames are from herself. If anything else, she'd be a kineticist specializing in fire.Quote: Problem I'm hitting mostly is the idea of neglecting so many class features due to them not applying. While I'm not forcing players into being templated from Nissa, if characters like Nissa and Kiora (tho maybe Kiora's not a druid, but just a summoning-type wizard) don't change into animal forms, that's no less than 3 major class features ignored. well that's why I chose Hunter and Summoner for those two. Neither use Wildshape, but have some of the right mechanics for the character as they are. Quote: Nissa doesn't do that either. What's a good solution? I'm sure I may run into similar problems with other established characters, but for now Nissa the Wildshape-less Druid is causing me troubles. Hunter focuses on the animal companion and working in conjunction with it, not having a wild shape at all. There's a archetype in one of the books that lets you choose plant beings instead of an animal, so I'd apply that template to it. |
Author: | Planechaser [ Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Known Planeswalkers - Classes |
Barinellos wrote: Planechaser wrote: Nice! I agree with most, though wouldn't Chandra be a Shaman and choose Flames? in this context, definitely not. Shamans are a spiritual class, literally. Chandra's flames are from herself. If anything else, she'd be a kineticist specializing in fire.Quote: Problem I'm hitting mostly is the idea of neglecting so many class features due to them not applying. While I'm not forcing players into being templated from Nissa, if characters like Nissa and Kiora (tho maybe Kiora's not a druid, but just a summoning-type wizard) don't change into animal forms, that's no less than 3 major class features ignored. well that's why I chose Hunter and Summoner for those two. Neither use Wildshape, but have some of the right mechanics for the character as they are. Quote: Nissa doesn't do that either. What's a good solution? I'm sure I may run into similar problems with other established characters, but for now Nissa the Wildshape-less Druid is causing me troubles. Hunter focuses on the animal companion and working in conjunction with it, not having a wild shape at all. There's a archetype in one of the books that lets you choose plant beings instead of an animal, so I'd apply that template to it. |
Author: | Barinellos [ Thu Aug 25, 2016 11:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Known Planeswalkers - Classes |
Well, druid means something completely different in the two systems. It'd be more accurate to call MtG druids clerics by DnD standards. The portfolio would just be focused on Gaea esque figures. |
Author: | Planechaser [ Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:49 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Known Planeswalkers - Classes |
Barinellos wrote: Well, druid means something completely different in the two systems. It'd be more accurate to call MtG druids clerics by DnD standards. The portfolio would just be focused on Gaea esque figures. Hmm, I've seen that said before, like a godless Cleric of the Nature Domain (or Tempest I guess. I like Pathfinder's selection of Domains better) so then is Gatewatch!Nissa a godless Nature Domain "Cleric of Zendikar", or a Beast Master archetype Ranger? For her role as an NPC, I figure she'd need access to higher level spellslots + Conjure Elemental and just make Ashaya a unique Elemental companion/familiar bonded with Nissa via DM storytelling.... Of course for a Plane Shift: Zendikar campaign, I dont want to disallow playable Druids, but I don't want Wild Shaping Druids.... perhaps replace Wild Shape and associated class features with Pathfinder's "Nature Bond" and make a "Circle of the Umbra" or something for emulating Totem Armor magic, and redefine Chandra's concept of a "shaman" simply as a Wizard who learned a lot of fiery spells.
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Author: | neru [ Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:22 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Known Planeswalkers - Classes |
Ajani • Cleric, War or Life Domain Arlinn • Cleric, Nature or Light Domain, with Lycanthropy OR Druid, Moon Circle (but the former seems most accurate) Ashiok • Warlock, Great Old Ones Pact Bolas • Wizard, Enchantment or Divination Specialization Chandra • Sorcerer, Edited Storm Bloodline Dack • Rogue, Thief Daretti • Wizard, Artificer Specialization Domri • Druid, Land Circle Elspeth • Paladin, Oath of Devotion Garruk • Ranger, Hunter (Can't summon but I think this is best fit without getting into multiclassing) Gideon • Paladin, Oath of Devotion Jace • Wizard, Illusion or Divination Specialization Karn • Classless, maybe Kaya • Rogue, Assassin Kiora • Druid, Land Circle Koth • Druid, Land Circle Liliana • Wizard, Necromancy Specialization OR Cleric, Death Domain Nahiri • Druid, Land Circle Narset • Monk, Way of the Open hand or of the Four Elements (not sure if she mainly does martial stuff or if she is more spellcasty) Nissa • Druid, Land Circle Nixilis • (I don't really get what he can do specifically.) Ral Zarek • Wizard, Evocation Specialization Sarkhan • Sorcerer, Draconic Bloodline Sorin • Paladin, Oath of Vengeance Tamiyo • Wizard, Divination Specialization BUT let me throw you for a loop, Bard, School of Lore Tezzeret • Wizard, Artificer Specialization Tibalt • Warlock, Fiend Pact Ugin • Wizard, Evocation? Specialization (based on his apparent channeling of colorless mana to do all sorts of weird stuff) Venser • Wizard, Conjuration Specialization Vraska • Rogue, Assassin Specialization Xenagos • Bard, School of Satire? OR Warlock, Fey Pact |
Author: | AzureShade [ Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:38 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Known Planeswalkers - Classes |
Planechaser wrote: so then is Gatewatch!Nissa a godless Nature Domain "Cleric of Zendikar", or a Beast Master archetype Ranger? For her role as an NPC, I figure she'd need access to higher level spellslots + Conjure Elemental and just make Ashaya a unique Elemental companion/familiar bonded with Nissa via DM storytelling.... Well if you are using the 'Walkers as NPCs only, why are you bothering to give them classes? Just build them like Monsters and give them whatever they need to get the job done.
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Author: | Planechaser [ Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:34 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Known Planeswalkers - Classes |
AzureShade wrote: Planechaser wrote: so then is Gatewatch!Nissa a godless Nature Domain "Cleric of Zendikar", or a Beast Master archetype Ranger? For her role as an NPC, I figure she'd need access to higher level spellslots + Conjure Elemental and just make Ashaya a unique Elemental companion/familiar bonded with Nissa via DM storytelling.... Well if you are using the 'Walkers as NPCs only, why are you bothering to give them classes? Just build them like Monsters and give them whatever they need to get the job done.I felt like this thread deserved a prequel asking "In-canon, what can these characters do with magic and such?" |
Author: | Landis963 [ Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Known Planeswalkers - Classes |
Planechaser wrote: AzureShade wrote: Planechaser wrote: so then is Gatewatch!Nissa a godless Nature Domain "Cleric of Zendikar", or a Beast Master archetype Ranger? For her role as an NPC, I figure she'd need access to higher level spellslots + Conjure Elemental and just make Ashaya a unique Elemental companion/familiar bonded with Nissa via DM storytelling.... Well if you are using the 'Walkers as NPCs only, why are you bothering to give them classes? Just build them like Monsters and give them whatever they need to get the job done.I felt like this thread deserved a prequel asking "In-canon, what can these characters do with magic and such?" Can't Sarkhan Wild Shape into a dragon? |
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