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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:00 pm 
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Hey, so I was beginning to wonder what a plane would be like if its denizens never used magic. More to the point, what would happen to the mana there? If I'm not mistaken, mana is basically the life force of a plane more or less and when a place is drained of it, things dye within that land. So how would a world where no one used magic influence this?

Also has there ever been a moment in the MtG storeline where mana had been completely drained from a place?

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 Post subject: Re: Nonmagic using plane
PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:52 pm 
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ManaGuru wrote:
Also has there ever been a moment in the MtG storeline where mana had been completely drained from a place?
Yes....sorta.

See:
-Probably anything to do with Karona.
-The plane of Equilor.

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 Post subject: Re: Nonmagic using plane
PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:00 pm 
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The long of the short of it:
Nothing would happen. Mana isn't a depletable resource like that.
While mana can be consumed, that isn't what happens when someone uses magic. Spellcasting is more akin to redirecting the energy than consuming it.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:10 am 
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Yeah the one major event where mana was drained entirely from the land it was due to an extremely powerful artifact capable of actually fully shattering not just the mana bonds but all the energy within the land.

Karona was... weird. Supposedly she took all the mana from Dominaria but like we know what a plane looks like when that happens (Ulgrotha, outside of the zone being "fed" by the portal under Sengir's castle) and Dominaria didn't look like that, just all the magic stopped working. I'd strongly suspect that what she really did was just drag all the mana bonds that anyone or anything had with her when she went on her Bogus Journey.

But like half of that's been retconned anyway so eh.

Similarly, the Eldrazi seem to drain mana from the land but leave enough that it's possible to step on the ground without instantly having the life sucked out of you.

Oh, and a similar life/energy sucking thing happened on Dominaria during the crisis of Time Spiral because of all the Plot Holes I mean Time Rifts.

Anyway the point is that all of that is exceptional stuff and really doesn't have a bearing on day to day use or disuse of mana.

There's no reason to think that not using mana would cause a plane to die unless there was some specific quality to that particular plane that made its use crucial to restocking the land, which... yeah I'm not sure how that would even happen to a world for it to be that dramatically borked. Someone would have to do a number on it on par with Karona or the Apocalypse Chime.


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Or the apokaronae chime!
Ugh... I've made myself nauseous just saying that.

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I'm just picturing Bolas ringing Karona like a cowbell to break a plane in half...


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ManaGuru wrote:
Hey, so I was beginning to wonder what a plane would be like if its denizens never used magic. ....

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CKY did a good write up a while back.
Earth is a world where everything is connected and nothing is sacred.

In a universe devoid of the centering qualities of mana, Earth's chemists make use of a foul black ichor called petroleum - the distilled essence of ancient death extracted from the lightless depths of the earth - to sustain their creations. When burned, this concoction provides unimaginable raw power, but irrevocably poisons the land with its stain. Petroleum and its ilk power all manner of industry, from the endless grinding tide of automotives that ferry Earth's people, to the titanic foundries and incinerators that move a planet-spanning economy.

Indeed, Earth is a land where tools of death have been elevated to an art form. With the deadly accurate ballistic weapons known as firearms, killing is as simple as point and shoot. The armored juggernauts called tanks can crush traditional cavalry under their treads, while helicopters and bombers wield the firepower of a dragon with the speed of a thunderbolt. Most fearsome are ICBMs - intercontinental ballistic missiles - which can strike across oceans and obliterate cities at the push of a button.

There are no longer secrets in this world. Earth is ringed with artificial satellites that ceaselessly monitor every square inch of its surface, and which sustain a worldwide web of information that transcends geographical borders. Earthmen have set foot upon the moon of their world; their servitor constructs have charted planets far beyond the one they inhabit. And with the touch of a smartphone screen, a message can slingshot across the plane and reach billions of viewers across the world.

In this world, then -- this ceaselessly burning sphere, teeming with the chatter of billions -- there is magic, of a sort. It is the magic of human ingenuity and centuries of exploitation. But there are no fairy godmothers here, no heroic tales or happy endings. There are only causes and consequences.

Make your choice.

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