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Colors of the Philosophies
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Author:  TPmanW [ Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:03 am ]
Post subject:  Colors of the Philosophies
Instead of talking about the philosophy of the colors, lets talk about the colors of the philosophies.
Basically, yeah, what it says up there. List a philosophy. Say what colors it belongs in. Argue about how other people messed up and how it actually belongs in some other colour. Rinse, repeat, bake for 20 min.

Burkean Conservatism - The belief that the workings of society should not be interfered with because we do not understand society, and therefore the outcome of the changes we make. Many aspects of society have hidden functions and to make drastic changes would be to disrupt these functions to considerable detriment.
- so very, very

Antinatalism - "Antinatalism is a philosophical position that assigns a negative value to birth, standing in opposition to natalism."-Wikipedia
"Whoever wants summarily to test the assertion that the pleasure in the world outweighs the pain, or at any rate that the two balance each other, should compare the feelings of an animal that is devouring another with those of that other" - Arthur Schopenhauer
- This sort of nihilistic, the-world-is-actually-bad sort of stance is right up black's alley. A little bit of :w: too, since the major motivations behind antinatilism tend to be utilitarian.
Author:  chinkeeyong [ Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:04 am ]
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Communism is monowhite. Capitalism is monoblack.
Author:  TPmanW [ Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:49 pm ]
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More political philosophies for you:

Utilitarianism is a theory in normative ethics holding that the best moral action is the one that maximizes utility. Utility is defined in various ways, but is usually related to the well-being of sentient entities.
- and maybe . Both care about the system over the individual. This is were I get a little fuzzy on the difference between white and green.

Negative Utilitarianism - A form of utilitarianism focused on preventing the bad over promoting the good.
-This one's all . White's all about being reactive and preventing/destroying things it thinks are bad.

Liberalism - A philosophy attempting to maximize the total freedom of all people within a society by creating laws that prevent people from taking actions that would erode another person's freedom. A pretty awesome philosophy.
-

Libertarianism - A philosophy that tries to maximize freedom by removing as many regulatory restrictions as possible.
- with a potential splash.

Consequentialism "is the class of normative ethical theories holding that the consequences of one's conduct are the ultimate basis for any judgment about the rightness or wrongness of that conduct. Thus, from a consequentialist standpoint, a morally right act (or omission from acting) is one that will produce a good outcome, or consequence. In an extreme form, the idea of consequentialism is commonly encapsulated in the English saying, "the ends justify the means", meaning that if a goal is morally important enough, any method of achieving it is acceptable."
- and . White attaches too much moralization to actions to fall into consequentialism. Black rejects the notion that it needs justification, or that its actions can be "wrong". I'm having trouble figuring out red's stance here but I think they would use it to justify their own actions, but not to excuse the actions of others.
Author:  MattoFrank [ Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Colors of the Philosophies
Libertarianism needs :b: rather than :g:. It's pretty much a "screw the rest" kind of attitude without any care for common wellbeing. Although, on the other hand, the "survival of the fittest" aspect of it might be :g:.

Fascism is :w::w::u:, since it's got an extreme focus on order, but also on overall progress.

Socialism is :w::u::g:, since it's also focused on order (regulation) and progress (either towards the communist end of history or, in a more modern sense, mankind's greatest possible liberation from the yoke of labour), while also, obviously, focusing on the common good.

Communism is :r::r::r:. Just because :D

Anarchism is :r::b:, as it's focused on freedom and absolutely counter :w:, which justifies :b: just to have both of :w:'s enemy colours in.

Btw, I think this thread would be more at home in another part of the MtG Forum^^
Author:  chinkeeyong [ Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:24 pm ]
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Neoclassicalism is . Impressionism is . Futurism is . Cubism is . Dadaism is . Art Deco is , Art Nouveau . Postmodernism is .
Author:  Dr_Demento [ Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:40 pm ]
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Utilitarianism is basically Consequentialism with an ill-defined metric, and probably fits best as , maybe . A little mathy for green and a little rule breaky for white, it is however, very, very blue. It is basically blue loooking at the other colors and going, "So you want to be happy? That's easy, just measure happiness at all possible points in the space time continuum and graph them, then only choose paths of positive slope. Of course, that can lead you to only local maxima, so you would need to start investigating some higher order pathfinding..." Basically what you get when an Engineer takes philosophy.
Author:  TPmanW [ Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Colors of the Philosophies
MattoFrank wrote:
Libertarianism needs :b: rather than :g:. It's pretty much a "screw the rest" kind of attitude without any care for common wellbeing. Although, on the other hand, the "survival of the fittest" aspect of it might be :g:.

Fascism is :w::w::u:, since it's got an extreme focus on order, but also on overall progress.

Socialism is :w::u::g:, since it's also focused on order (regulation) and progress (either towards the communist end of history or, in a more modern sense, mankind's greatest possible liberation from the yoke of labour), while also, obviously, focusing on the common good.

Communism is :r::r::r:. Just because :D

Anarchism is :r::b:, as it's focused on freedom and absolutely counter :w:, which justifies :b: just to have both of :w:'s enemy colours in.

Btw, I think this thread would be more at home in another part of the MtG Forum^^

I'm not convinced libertarianism is black. Obviously that's one (some would say, the main) motive for endorsing the philosophy, the philosophy itself is red. You may use libertarianism for black means, but you believe in it for red ones.

I'm not sure that fascism needs blue in it. All political philosophies advocate progress of some sort. For fascism that is a very white sort of progress achieved through very white means.

Naturally communism must be red because commies are red. THough going by the term "pinko", maybe a little white is needed.

My argument about libertarianism also applies to anarchy. Anarchy may result in a -ruled world, but that's not what the anarchists are going for.

Dr_Demento wrote:
Utilitarianism is basically Consequentialism with an ill-defined metric, and probably fits best as , maybe . A little mathy for green and a little rule breaky for white, it is however, very, very blue. It is basically blue loooking at the other colors and going, "So you want to be happy? That's easy, just measure happiness at all possible points in the space time continuum and graph them, then only choose paths of positive slope. Of course, that can lead you to only local maxima, so you would need to start investigating some higher order pathfinding..." Basically what you get when an Engineer takes philosophy.
That's a pretty good point. In classical utilitarianism though, it's all about instituting the system that will bring about maximum well-being so rule-breaking isn't a requirement. There's definitely blue in there. It just can't be monoblue. Blue isn't overly concerned with everyone's well-being, so another colour is required to act as the motive for blue's means.
Author:  Jivanmukta [ Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:50 pm ]
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Dr_Demento wrote:
Utilitarianism is basically Consequentialism with an ill-defined metric, and probably fits best as , maybe . A little mathy for green and a little rule breaky for white, it is however, very, very blue. It is basically blue loooking at the other colors and going, "So you want to be happy? That's easy, just measure happiness at all possible points in the space time continuum and graph them, then only choose paths of positive slope. Of course, that can lead you to only local maxima, so you would need to start investigating some higher order pathfinding..." Basically what you get when an Engineer takes philosophy.


Negative utilitarianism is best utilitarianism.
Author:  theamazingsquid [ Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:35 pm ]
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Utilitarianism seems very to me. The best choice to make is the one that is the most usefull.
Author:  Heliosphoros [ Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:48 pm ]
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The thing about libertarianism is that at least it's conventional definition inherently values free will, distrust of dogma and personal agency. These are all values.
Author:  KeeperofManyNames [ Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:03 am ]
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chinkeeyong wrote:
Neoclassicalism is . Impressionism is . Futurism is . Cubism is . Dadaism is . Art Deco is , Art Nouveau . Postmodernism is .

I was gonna try to quibble with these but... no, this, this pretty much checks out.

I would NOT have pegged impressionism as g/r but the more I think about it the more I like it, honestly. I think you could arguably throw in blue there for a scientific appreciation of light/optics but yeah this feels like a good core

I think Art Nouveau could have a bit of white in there for some artists, and red for others--the Vienna Secession had some real iconoclasts (Klimt, Schiele) whereas Alphonse Mucha was a Slavic nationalist and believed in art as a way of improving life. Similarly, Arts and Crafts is very green/white--anti industrialization, often broadly communitarian in spirit, interested in the reintroduction of physical labor and working with your hands.

Romanticism is red all the way through, no doubt about that. Symbolism and surrealism are both tough nuts to crack in my opinion, they're kind of all over the place. I wonder if symbolism might fit into white due to its spiritual overtones though. That could be interesting. And surrealism is so closely related to leftist practices that there's probably gotta be some red/white in there, but I think there must be blue as well, there's such an interest in mind games and visual puns and so on... Of all of them I think De Chirico might be the most red (the most affecting/affective and the most sort of hauntingly spiritual) and Magritte is the most blue.

Pop art is actually probably also blue and possibly black as well depending on the artist, whereas abstract expressionism is red green again (though it was used for very white purposes!) Constructivism is white like a Kazimir Malevich painting.

I like this, actually, because I feel like it's really showing a side of green and red that we don't see normally. I'll have to think about how this might be used for story writing...

Also it always bugs me when people use "communism" as a blanket term in this sort of color analysis because like... are you talking Marx's theories? Leninism or Stalinism? Anarcho-communist traditions a la Luxemborg? Prague Spring? There's a pretty wide range of theoretical positions there idk. It feels more like maybe picking out individual philosophers is more worthwhile.
Author:  Yxoque [ Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:26 am ]
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I think libertarianism can be Black, because it puts a high value on personal freedom, which is Black as much as it's Red. I don't think it's Black due to selfishness (which objectivism would be). Whatever criticism you'd like to field towards them, most libertarians (that aren't on reddit) genuinely believe that have more personal freedom leads to better outcomes, both for individuals and societies.

Fascism doesn't need Blue. They don't exactly want progress, they want to return to a Glorious Past. It does need Red however. The whole philosophy puts a strong importance on emotion.

I can't feel utilitarianism as White (except maybe negative utilitarianism), because White is often as concerned with the means as it is with the outcome. Of course, that's only one part of White.
Author:  TPmanW [ Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:30 am ]
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I think communism is broadly white. At its core, communism is just a very white resource distribution model. Particular philosophies may graft new colours onto there, but I think that core colour of communism itself is white.
Author:  Dr_Demento [ Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:57 am ]
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I dunno, I haven't studied communism closely, so I can't speak with any kind of authority, but the idea of communal ownership feels very green to me. Green isn't all that into factories, but if factories are a thing lets at least treat them like we would treat the forest, a source of communal strength and responsibility.
Author:  chinkeeyong [ Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:21 am ]
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Taoism is . Confucianism is .
Author:  Heliosphoros [ Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:12 am ]
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TPmanW wrote:
I think communism is broadly white. At its core, communism is just a very white resource distribution model. Particular philosophies may graft new colours onto there, but I think that core colour of communism itself is white.


Pretty much. Of all communist branches though I feel James Jones' brand is the most mono-

chinkeeyong wrote:
Taoism is . Confucianism is .


Most spiritual philosophies are pretty centric. Religion is , because you're doing it as a public, communal thing, but spirituality and the reasoning being it are very .

The main exceptions, I think, are Zoroastrianism (which rejects ascetism and favours strict morality, which is ) and hellenic Mystery Religions and Gnosticism, which seem more (seeking freedom from this world). Even judeo-christian spiritual traditions tend to be very , especially on the more esoteric branches.
Author:  MattoFrank [ Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:50 am ]
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Quote:
Fascism doesn't need Blue. They don't exactly want progress, they want to return to a Glorious Past. It does need Red however. The whole philosophy puts a strong importance on emotion.

"One common definition of fascism focuses on three concepts: the fascist negations of anti-liberalism, anti-communism and anti-conservatism; nationalist authoritarian goals of creating a regulated economic structure to transform social relations within a modern, self-determined culture; and a political aesthetic of romantic symbolism, mass mobilization, a positive view of violence, and promotion of masculinity, youth and charismatic leadership." (Wikipedia cites this as a source for that paragraph: Griffin, Roger and Matthew Feldman Fascism: Critical Concepts in Political Science pp. 420–421, 2004 Taylor and Francis)
Hence I would argue that the idea of a "Glorious Past" as a facet of fascism is a common misconception. That's just pure conservatism, while the original fascist ideologies of Mussolini and Hitler consciously broke with tradition to reshape society into something never seen before. Ergo :u:, and, possibly, :r: as well, regarding violence. Although it's actually not passionate violence but calculated violence (and charismatic leadership), which is why I stuck with a further focus on :w:.
Author:  TPmanW [ Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:15 am ]
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Just wanting to change how society works doesn't make fascism blue. All colours except green desire some form of progress. To qualify as blue it would have to use a particularly blue means or work towards a blue end.

And now for the defining movement of modern times! I'll let Wikipedia handle the intro.
Humanism is a philosophical and ethical stance that emphasizes the value and agency of human beings, individually and collectively, and generally prefers critical thinking and evidence (rationalism, empiricism) over established doctrine or faith (fideism). The meaning of the term humanism has fluctuated, according to the successive intellectual movements which have identified with it. Generally, however, humanism refers to a perspective that affirms some notion of human freedom and progress.
-Humanism is blue and red.
Author:  UselessCommon [ Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:48 pm ]
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If I comment in an old thread, will it teleport to the top ?
Such a good one !
Let's ressurect this, and color the world !
Classicism -
Sentimentalism -
Romanticism - , but a good kind.
Realism -
Modernism -
Postmodernism - , if not colorless.
Author:  Yxoque [ Sat Oct 22, 2016 6:43 pm ]
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I dunno. I'm not very knowledgeable about this sort of stuff, but postmodernism probably needs Red in there.
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