... do you WANT people to start screaming Magic has become World of Warcraft?

I'll be happy if the word "loli" is never used to describe anything in Magic the Gathering...

This. I'm not even very interested in women and I noticed how odd her boobs looked.

Hard to tell at that size. They could be pretty big, but they also kind of blend into her silhouette to produce a sliming effect.

The lighting on this piece is particularly weird too, with no fewer than for light sources competing with each other. It does weird things to the shadows and highlights.

I'm still numb for any shed of tear at this point.

I just wanna go rampage at Creative...





How Dare You to even suggest this! They're already having a hard time giving human Neowalkers as a whole skin tones other than white and now you suggest BODY shapes?!

That's gothic lolita, completely different.

To play devil's advocate on the bust thing, it could be that in card size from that angle, a smaller bust would've made it hard to identify her gender. Since this is her first expert-level set card, they may have asked it to be more apparent so there wasn't any doubt. That would explain the odder proportions.

Personally, I didn't notice it, but when it was pointed out, it did look like it might've been added afterwards. Either way, it doesn't come across as sexualized, so I don't think there's anything to it.

The art is very good, the shoulders, head, and body shape are all visibally feminine without the D cup boobs.

It's not really a question of sexualization, the art isn't remotely sexual, its about a diversity in body types.

I'd really appreciate if it isn't always trotted out that way. Bust size is only one factor in diversity of body type and it gets really annoying that a lot of pro-diversity advocates lump "attractive" into one body type regardless of differences. The same thing happened with overwatch and there were several people that called them out about that hypocrisy then.

It's hard to compare this even with the other Nahiri card, and the fact that artists are often inconsistent with depictions makes it doubly difficult to actually work out individual details about the characters.

I really have no idea what argument you're trying to make there, Barinellos.

For my part I just wish she looked a little less human, but I'm kind of resigned to the fact that the level of weirdness I want to see from non-human species is just not going to be realized in a setting that apparently now can't even accommodate freaking slivers that don't look like humans.

Two arguments really.
First is that bust size is only one detail about a body type and it's a false equivalency to treat it like the only detail that matters. Aside from that, "attractive" is usually treated as the only quality of a body type, despite often having a lot more individuals details that make up a diverse body type.

The second was my basically saying that, ironically, beyond "attractive" none of the female Walkers have had consistent enough body details to apply my first point though.

I just get really tired of the deletion of other female body types when they aren't overtly masculine or something.

Tamiyo I think had a quite interesting derivation, being kind of skinny and scrawny. A stark contrast against the sensuous soratami in the Kamigawa Block. I wonder if they'll keep this consistent.

Of course there's more to body diversity than just boobs, but it was a good vector into the conversation.

Also, the rest of Nahiri looks fine.

The Jund in me is quite pleased with Arlin's card.

A-freaking-men. I've always felt having only human and human-adjacent characters defeats the point of a fantasy setting, who's biggest strength is its variety of possibility. To have everything look like a human effectively reduces the potential power. And this isn't just for escapist purposes. The variety of body types can also allow for strong symbolic intonations, which just isn't utilized in a humano-centric fantasy universe.

As to the body-type point, I have an interesting thought experiment. Barinellos pointed out that, with different artists, characters will look different just because everyone has different art style. I'm curious if someone tried to portray one of the existing characters (be it Chandra, Nahiri, or any other) using Reubenesque proportions, what would the reaction be? Clearly that would come across as a different body type, but it's also a change from the previous character. Does it get written off as a different art style? Is it embraced as diversity? Rejected as a betrayal? I'm genuinely curious.

Of major characters, you'd probably get the worst results from Chandra, frankly. Post ORI they've been going with her as kinda twiggy (with limited success, but contrast M14 Chandra with Ori/BFZ Chandra). I imagine it'd have the best results of existing characters with Liliana -- as long as it was still within the bounds of her vanity she could have a significantly fuller figure than current without it seeming weird or necessarily wrong for the character.

Well, as far as I'm concerned, I really like consistency in characters' artistic potrayal, so my reaction in that specific case would be pretty negative. On the other hand, I'd really like them to introduce a new female planeswalker who's consistently depicted with that body shape. It can be really attractive, and the slim-chick-with-big-boobs kind of body is pretty overused at this point.