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So, no chance we're getting Pirates vs Dinosaurs for Ixalan then? Shame. That would have sold like crazy.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:21 pm 
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What else were they going to fight? The green race is.....elves.

Vampires?
Zombies?
Cats?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:22 pm 
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But I'm guessing they wanted an enemy color fight. Which means that Blue had to fight either Green or Red. They were pretty boned either way.

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But I'm guessing they wanted an enemy color fight. Which means that Blue had to fight either Green or Red. They were pretty boned either way.

We joke that they can't make a duel deck without red, but...

Also, Goblins v Elves, ally colors, so...

It just feels really cheap and dumb to repeat goblins, especially their FIRST duel deck.

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Right, they blew any good enemy pairs when they started with a basic ally pair.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:34 pm 
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Right, they blew any good enemy pairs when they started with a basic ally pair.

Well, it doesn't help that they've thrown just about everything at the wall to see what white wants, but it isn't working.
They've finally settled on humans, but the absolute scattershot nature of humans means that's a thing nobody is buying.

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What else were they going to fight? The green race is.....elves.

Pirates, to tie into Ixalan? the last duel deck had color overlap, why not let U/x merfolk fight U/y pirates for mastery of the seas?

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They could have used Cephalids instead of Merfolk, and for the green tribe...beasts.

Cephalids vs Beasts

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We're in a dire need of the return of Kithkins.

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Hey guys, I'm back. I took an extended break from Magic's story and this community to protect and stabilize my mental health and things have improved a lot so a couple of days back I decided to check the forums again, but I'm so much behind that I'm hesitant to just pick things up. Is Amonketh worth catching up with?

Oh, and I just realized my first sentence might be taken as me saying this community was/is a hazard to my mental health, but I just couldn't cope with human interaction in general, especially not when I cared about the people involved. It was a rough time for my fiancée.

Edit: But Mown, people didn't like Kithkins...

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:29 am 
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Yxoque wrote:
Hey guys, I'm back. I took an extended break from Magic's story and this community to protect and stabilize my mental health and things have improved a lot so a couple of days back I decided to check the forums again, but I'm so much behind that I'm hesitant to just pick things up. Is Amonketh worth catching up with?

Oh, and I just realized my first sentence might be taken as me saying this community was/is a hazard to my mental health, but I just couldn't cope with human interaction in general, especially not when I cared about the people involved. It was a rough time for my fiancée.

Well, I won't deny I was worried for a sec.
But the important thing is you're doing better and it's nice to see you back.
Amazingly, jedi has popped back up too! (no offense jedi)

As for amonkhet... mmm for the most part, I think. There's been a general sense of good will towards the writing, with only one serious hiccup and some mild annoyance on other fronts, but mostly good.

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but Yxoque, nobody likes anything!
...apparently.

It's not that I don't sympathize with them not being able to find a resonant white characteristic, but considering how they forced hydra down our throats, I kinda feel like they should just force through whatever they feel has the best chance of sticking and be done with it. Human isn't an acceptable answer.

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White really does have a problem that their iconic started out as a class and not a race, and that most of their options are either multi-colored or very set-specific. I think their best option might be ghost tribal. It already has some precedence, and it's the easiest to put into sets, both of new planes and revisits. You can't really retcon kithkins or kitsune into Ravnica and Innistrad, nor would I want them to.

Or they could just commit to human I guess. Spirits always struck me as pretty red, conceptually.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:57 am 
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White really does have a problem that their iconic started out as a class and not a race, and that most of their options are either multi-colored or very set-specific. I think their best option might be ghost tribal. It already has some precedence, and it's the easiest to put into sets, both of new planes and revisits. You can't really retcon kithkins or kitsune into Ravnica and Innistrad, nor would I want them to.

Or they could just commit to human I guess. Spirits always struck me as pretty red, conceptually.

Spirits have the same baggage as humans, albeit substantially less. I do think there's a strong argument to be made for them though and very little reason you can't put them in any given plane. Ghosts have a pretty strong flavor resonance. The reason they're white is probably the hardest thing to answer.

The biggest issue with committing to humans is denying all the other colors access to them.
And the looooong history of their presence in all five colors to start.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 5:09 am 
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Yxoque wrote:
Hey guys, I'm back. I took an extended break from Magic's story and this community to protect and stabilize my mental health and things have improved a lot so a couple of days back I decided to check the forums again, but I'm so much behind that I'm hesitant to just pick things up. Is Amonketh worth catching up with?

Oh, and I just realized my first sentence might be taken as me saying this community was/is a hazard to my mental health, but I just couldn't cope with human interaction in general, especially not when I cared about the people involved. It was a rough time for my fiancée.

Edit: But Mown, people didn't like Kithkins...
It's good to see you, Yxoque, I was seriously getting worried. Glad to hear you're doing better.

As to Amonkhet, I'd say give it a shot if you've got time to catch up with it. We're right in the middle of the block, so you might as well jump in. I think most of the problems I have with it ultimately come from the medium it's told in not having enough space, especially in combination with the Gatewatch focus. Personally, I'm underwhelmed by the worldbuilding, too, but that's not the general consensus or anything.

A few ups and downs so far, from the top of my head (potential spoilers):

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I'll admit to slight worry over the absolutely certain to be had Un-walker in unstable, but if they choose Commodore Guff, I'll forgive them basically all the Gatewatch shenanigans.

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I'll admit to slight worry over the absolutely certain to be had Un-walker in unstable, but if they choose Commodore Guff, I'll forgive them basically all the Gatewatch shenanigans.

I think the funniest option would be to print Guff as a black-bordered card in a silver-bordered set, it seems like somewhere they could go with it.

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Commodore Guff would be the perfect fit for that kind of nonsense, yeah. Not that I really care about Un-sets anyway. I'm pretty excited for Ixalan and extremely hyped for Commander 2017, though.

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Hey Yxoque! Glad your doing better. I just came back myself.

On duel decks: Yeah was eh on that announcement.

White's Characteristic: I'm kind of hoping they go with dwarf. Since they seem to have accepted its ok to make them white, they are a classic fantasy race that hasn't been represented well in this multiverse. I was also fine with Kithkin.

Amonkhet: I mostly enjoy the story. There are a few hiccups, but it is mostly positive reaction from me.


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I'm categorically against moving dwarves out of red. A little bit of colour bleeding is fine, but there is nothing wrong with red dwarves. I don't think the idea of "characteristic races" is a useful concept at all in the first place. They should just go with whatever fits each given setting best and make sure there's some variation.

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