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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:59 pm 
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For the record, while this is something I normally would join in on, there's already a lot of information I'd have to sift through to make sure a) I'm not going to be repeating something that's already decided; and b) that I can become properly convinced by someone else if they have a good point (I've often changed my views before responding to something because of how someone has said their point). I may come in at a later time, but it might be done by then.

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 Post subject: Re: Pokewalker!
PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:00 am 
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jedi8187 wrote:
Garruk normal imo.
Elspeth can take flying
Vraska poison
Nissa grass
Tamiyo getting fairy is fine.

Domri, tibalt, tezz, ajani, xenagos: no clue atm

The good thing about using Tezzeret and Bolas as the big bads of the "game" is that we can riff on multiple types instead of having to be pretty slavish towards the gym structure.
So for Tezzeret, we can sprinkle dark, steel, and a little more in there.

Elspeth will have flying then.
I really can see the arguments for Garruk being normal, but overall it feels strange doing so. We'll shelf him for a space filler right now while we work out gym leaders and order. As it is, we're missing exactly one to round out our gyms and elite four, but we might just have to cut Garruk in favor of something else.

I can see the reasoning behind poison Vraska, but I'm not sold on that, to be honest. It just feels strange in the same way Garruk does.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:58 am 
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Barinellos wrote:
Not touched:
Tibalt: ????
Domri: Half tempted to stick Bug on him
Tezzeret: Steel is the only thing that really fits, but it's probably best to just... not use him.
Ajani: Normal maybe?
Ashiok: Dark/Psychic. Hve to dual type him, which pretty much disqualifies him.
Xenagos: ????
Vraska: ????

Tibalt screams dark/fire to me. Houndooms out the wazoo. Too bad dual typing is out. When I started thinking about where pws would fit, I thought of normal for Ajani as well, but I don't really have a solid reason why.

No clue with xenagos and vraska. Domri doesn't really fit either since there really isn't a beast type.


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 Post subject: Re: Pokewalker!
PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:14 am 
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I like Garruk as ground since he is a hunter. Tracking creature's footprints off the ground etc.

Thinking that Bolas can have double identities, like appearing to be the innocent Pokemon Champion who reveals that he is the leader of Team Phyrexian in the end or something.

Ajani can be normal with some kind of item use thingy going on like Norman's Gym, considering how Leonins are associated with equipments


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Thinking that Bolas can have double identities, like appearing to be the innocent Pokemon Champion who reveals that he is the leader of Team Phyrexian in the end or something.
That's sort of what we're going for, though definitely not with Phyrexia. We're dropping Tezzeret into that too.
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Ajani can be normal with some kind of item use thingy going on like Norman's Gym, considering how Leonins are associated with equipments

That's fairly well thought out, though in fairness, Ajani's particular leonin weren't associated with it.

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My thing with garrison is normal with a focus on the more beastly is it mimics his focus: summoning beasts. He's not grass in anyway. And ground is a stretch. His best hope is normal, or being able to be the champ who just focuses on beast like Philemon, maybe.

Yeah vraska is tenuous at best. But it doesn't matter what we do with her she will be tenuous. Some of these walkers will just have issues really fitting.

I know this hurts our plans a bit but shouldn't Markham be with bolas? Or maybe he can pull double duty.


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 Post subject: Re: Pokewalker!
PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:36 pm 
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My thing with garrison is normal with a focus on the more beastly is it mimics his focus: summoning beasts. He's not grass in anyway. And ground is a stretch. His best hope is normal, or being able to be the champ who just focuses on beast like Philemon, maybe.

Yeah vraska is tenuous at best. But it doesn't matter what we do with her she will be tenuous. Some of these walkers will just have issues really fitting.

I know this hurts our plans a bit but shouldn't Markham be with bolas? Or maybe he can pull double duty.

Autocorrect's a pain, eh?

Anyways, I think just dropping Garruk from the leaders is the best thing. It'd be weird anyways, given his personality.
Sarkhan can double up for late game anyways. I mean,
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I totally just put that in spoilers. In case.

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 Post subject: Re: Pokewalker!
PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:24 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Pokewalker!
PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:28 pm 
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Alright, so, to recompile the list we have:
Elspeth: Flying
Gideon: Fighting
Jace: Psychic
Chandra: Fire
Kiora: Water
Ral: Electric
Sarkhan: Dragon
Koth: Ground

So there are our gym leaders. We'll hash out order in a bit...
Our elite four currently sits at:
Karn: Steel
Liliana: Ghost
Sorin: Dark

and... well, that's all for now unless we're going to have Bolas double up as the Bwuhahaha villain and top member of the Elite Four.
Infinite Consortium:
Bolas and Tezzeret running things. Which makes me think we should make a Consortium Grunt's team. Just another thing for the docket.

To be truthful, it would be amusing to do poke versions of some of the magic creatures, but that'd be a pain and kind of spoil some of the joke.
For now though... what will our three starters be? Definitely thinking Charmander for fire...

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 Post subject: Re: Pokewalker!
PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:37 pm 
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Oh, come on! Has no one suggested Bolas be the Champion? There's always a champion after the Elite Four! (Mind you, most of them have been your rival, but not all.)

Sorry, just had to get that out of my system. Carry on.

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 Post subject: Re: Pokewalker!
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Lord LunaEquie is me wrote:
Oh, come on! Has no one suggested Bolas be the Champion? There's always a champion after the Elite Four! (Mind you, most of them have been your rival, but not all.)

Sorry, just had to get that out of my system. Carry on.

Eh, Bolas as champion would fit his multi type team strategy, but the rival thing is just way too ingrained into the pokezeitgeist. Aside from that, with the amount of rivalries already extent in the main mythos, it just fits that you'd end up with your own "do it yourself" sort of rival that tops out as champion as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Pokewalker!
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Honestly mos t games don't have your rival as champion. Gen 2 is lance. Gen 3 is I forget who and the Wallace is remake. Gen 4 was Cynthia. Gen 5 had alder and Isis. Literally only the first gen had your rival as champion. So I think we can skip it.

For E4 do we have any old walkers left?

But champion is another big ?


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One of the main thing most pokemon fans learn over the course of playing the game is that acting like a gym leader is a bad idea. Having all of your pokemon fall under exclusively one type is foolishness. (and honestly, I'm convinced this has more to do with your defeat of the Elite Four than any sort of "power of love" thing. Then again, the pokemon universe is a mostly idealized utopia, so there's that.)

A thing to keep in mind is that in Generation 2, 3, 5, and 5.2 (I can't vouch for four I have not played it.) The champion was NOT, in fact, your rival, but someone else you had met along your journeys.

Bolas could be champion, but I think he works better as the Big Bad.

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RuwinReborn wrote:
A thing to keep in mind is that in Generation 2, 3, 5, and 5.2 (I can't vouch for four I have not played it.) The champion was NOT, in fact, your rival, but someone else you had met along your journeys.

Bolas could be champion, but I think he works better as the Big Bad.
Cynthia was best champion. And that has nothing to do with shipping little girls with her.
Okay, it does, sue me.
That being said, nobody will ever live up to the epic levels of Blue/Gary Oak. The first game might have been the only one to do rival as Champion, but it was THE establishing game, the one that stuck in your head more than anything.
The Lance story arc in Johto was a little weird and... I don't think anybody cares about Hoenn because I can't remember anything about it.

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For E4 do we have any old walkers left?

But champion is another big ?
We don't have anybody left, but I really don't want to use Bolas in either place. He really fits best as the Big Bad.

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So champion I still have the idea of Garruk being the champion with a team of biggest/strongest mins from all regions. Could even be a rival I guess. The elite 4 is so tricky...weird idea, bear with me: Do we know Tamiyo is a neowalker? If not could her and a team of fairies be in the elite 4?

I'm likely to get flamed for this: But what about Elspeth being the first for elite 4? *runs for cover*

And what if the player was Ajani, what with all his togetherness mindset. I mean he did take down bolas.
Just some spitballing ideas.


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If I can derail this thread by a bit?
RuwinReborn wrote:
One of the main thing most pokemon fans learn over the course of playing the game is that acting like a gym leader is a bad idea. Having all of your pokemon fall under exclusively one type is foolishness. (and honestly, I'm convinced this has more to do with your defeat of the Elite Four than any sort of "power of love" thing. Then again, the pokemon universe is a mostly idealized utopia, so there's that.)

A thing to keep in mind is that in Generation 2, 3, 5, and 5.2 (I can't vouch for four I have not played it.) The champion was NOT, in fact, your rival, but someone else you had met along your journeys.

Bolas could be champion, but I think he works better as the Big Bad.

Only idealized on the outside, like how MLP:FiM is idealized on the outside. In more realistic terms, the Pokemon universe is most likely recovering from an apocalypse that brought pokemon to the planet in the first place.

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 Post subject: Re: Pokewalker!
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jedi8187 wrote:
I'm likely to get flamed for this: But what about Elspeth being the first for elite 4? *runs for cover*

No.
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And what if the player was Ajani, what with all his togetherness mindset. I mean he did take down bolas.
Just some spitballing ideas.
Eh, I'd prefer to use just enough of the framework of you being new planeswalker than have you being an established one. One of the great things about pokemon is that in most cases, mots of your life is left up to you, the player, to decide what transpired.

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Only idealized on the outside, like how MLP:FiM is idealized on the outside. In more realistic terms, the Pokemon universe is most likely recovering from an apocalypse that brought pokemon to the planet in the first place.
I actually somewhat doubt that, in the fact that there was enough time for ancient civilizations to ingrain pokemon into things like ancient religions and the like. Even then, we have the prehistoric fossils available. Even at the highest recovery curve, we'd be looking at over 2000 years of development, though that's assuming there was never anything like a dark age.

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Wait, how is Equestria idealized on the outside? It's pretty much a great place to live.

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Wait, how is Equestria idealized on the outside? It's pretty much a great place to live.

Well, there are some pretty severe class issues, not to mention the not quite banished racial tensions besides.

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Not to mention the fact that there's some new disaster blowing s*** up seemingly every week.

Is there any reason that we can't have Bolas/Tezzeret double up as an Elite Four member? I could see the Consortium infiltrating/subverting the Elite Four. There's even precedent of the Big Bad infiltrating the competitive Pokemon circuit.


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