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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:45 am 
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So, as of BFZ, here's the "coloured" Eldrazi spell numbers:

mono-: 15
mono-: 13
mono-: 11
mono-: 7
-multicolour: 7
-multicolour: 5
-multicolour: 4
-multicolour: 2
non--multicolour: 2 (both )

So, as suspected, the Eldrazi have shifted away from . However, while the overwhelming majority of multicolour Eldrazi spells are , in terms of single colour they are surprisingly biased towards , and holds the distinction of having the only non- multicolour cards.

I'm curious as to whereas this new bias is plot-relevant in any way.

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 Post subject: Re: Eldrazi colour tier
PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:55 am 
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The way I square it, the Eldrazi are alien beings with an intellect () that we do not comprehend and thus ascribe it as madness () who consume worlds to gain power (), possibly for a natural reason () that is unclear to us at this time beyond the vague hints we got from Drana's experience. The Eldrazi see something as "broken" and are trying to "fix" it by scouring the multiverse clean.

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 Post subject: Re: Eldrazi colour tier
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How many of those cards are creatures vs noncrraturrs though. It would be interesting to see that too.

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 Post subject: Re: Eldrazi colour tier
PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:30 pm 
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The way I square it, the Eldrazi are alien beings with an intellect () that we do not comprehend and thus ascribe it as madness () who consume worlds to gain power (), possibly for a natural reason () that is unclear to us at this time beyond the vague hints we got from Drana's experience. The Eldrazi see something as "broken" and are trying to "fix" it by scouring the multiverse clean.


Their desire to "fix" could be seen as a desire for perfection. Still, I think it's odd that we see such a tremendous shift between enemy colours.

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How many of those cards are creatures vs noncrraturrs though. It would be interesting to see that too.


mono-: 3 non-creature (all instants)
mono-: 5 non-creature (3 instant, 2 sorceries)
mono-: 6 non-creature (1 instant, 4 sorceries, 1 enchantment)
mono-: 3 non-creature (1 instant, 1 sorcery, 1 enchantment)
multicoloured: 1 non-creature (a instant)

This seems to suggest that the Eldrazi are a primarily faction that utilise other colours.

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 Post subject: Re: Eldrazi colour tier
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I think you read that a bit wrong.
It seems Ulamog's lineage is primarily off blue, but Emrakul and Kozilek don't appear in blue. In fact they show up in the other colors almost exclusively.

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Herald of Kozilek is one of the cards and Tide Drifter may be an Emrakul. Their rarity could also be due to the general rarity of either one's spawn in this set.

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 Post subject: Re: Eldrazi colour tier
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My point still remains. In the original block, the three lineages each very loosely favored one color. Now we're just seeing which color Ulamog favors since most of it was colorless in the original run.

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 Post subject: Re: Eldrazi colour tier
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A lot of the specifics of the colour crunching might just come from Design trying to do archetypes. The idea that Ulamog's lineage is centered in :u: sounds about right, but apart from that, I don't think it's saying much.

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 Post subject: Re: Eldrazi colour tier
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I was curious about this from an as-fan perspective, so I broke it down by rarity.

mono-: 8 commons, 6 uncommons, 1 rare
mono-: 8 commons, 3 uncommons, 2 rares
mono-: 4 commons, 5 uncommons, 2 rares
mono-: 4 commons, 2 uncommons, 1 rares

The overall rankings are the same, but the as-fan of blue eldrazi will only be a little higher than that of black eldrazi. Still, it's a big shift into blue from what we had before. I personally like the "Ulamog's brood likes blue" theory. All those tentacles sure do seem at home in the ocean.

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Bleh, now that the Eldrazi are everywhere they feel like just a different brand of Phyrexian/Sliver.

It's like they saw how successful Blizzard was at reskinning the same mobs over and over again with a slightly different aesthetic in terms of skull structure, armor, different appendages and/or skin color and attempted to apply it to Magic sets.

Also my favorite Eldrazi was Emrakul (yah I know the big dumb Timmeh likes the big dumb Timmeh card) and the only Emrakul call out was Emrakul's Appendix.


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 Post subject: Re: Eldrazi colour tier
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Also my favorite Eldrazi was Emrakul (yah I know the big dumb Timmeh likes the big dumb Timmeh card) and the only Emrakul call out was Emrakul's Appendix.


They specifically stated that Ulamog's brood was the only one that appeared to remain on Zendikar. The implication is that Emrakul and Kozilek have moved on and will show up further down the line. As MaRo is so fond of saying, I doubt we've seen the last of Emrakul.


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 Post subject: Re: Eldrazi colour tier
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I thought it was a little weird how there were coloured Eldrazi in the first place, but I accepted it as a gameplay necessity. Now that the Eldrazi are in four colours it's a little weird they're not in white. They don't seem particularly disorderly, just hard to understand. I guess blue is the colour of mystery and to a degree, weirdness, so they show up there. Black is about selfishness, so that's justified (if we assume the Eldrazi are properly sentient and understand us as such too). Red, uh, yeah, I don't have anything for red. Green is a good place for Eldrazi since their primary motivation seems to be feeding themselves and they may or may not be sentient.
Did Maro's article give any reason for the colour choices?


Last time around, Pawn of Ulamog was the only coloured card with Ulamog in the name. Suffer the Past and Soul's Attendant reference Ulamog in the flavour text, but in Attendant's case it's not a very direct connection. Not really a significant number of data points there, but Ulamog seems to have some black in it.

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Well, isaic16 was right. Emrakul has shown up on Innistrad. Cool beans.


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 Post subject: Re: Eldrazi colour tier
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Emrakul coming to Innistrad was kind of inevitable though.

Way I see it, Kozilek is UR, Ulamog is RB, Emrakul is UG.

And now Emrakul is going to create a new Titan from the two angels (assuming the story continues being predictable) and that Titan will probably be RU, maybe RW.

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 Post subject: Re: Eldrazi colour tier
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Emrakul coming to Innistrad was kind of inevitable though.

Way I see it, Kozilek is UR, Ulamog is RB, Emrakul is UG.

And now Emrakul is going to create a new Titan from the two angels (assuming the story continues being predictable) and that Titan will probably be RU, maybe RW.
What makes you say Emrakul will make a new titan? Also, it feels to me like Ulamog is UB and Kozilek is UR, and I GUESS Emrakul is UG? What's up with the White Kozilek Eldrazi? I've been reading the art book, so Ulamog using mana for certain purposes makes sense, and Ula being god of the sea makes it Blue-ish, and all the Bloodchiefs were made that way due to Ulamog's "hunger" aura radiating out, and I can't help but sense a little Red, but can't say for sure. I may use the art book to classify Eldrazi into those lineages.

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 Post subject: Re: Eldrazi colour tier
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I feel like attributing colors to the Eldrazi is an ultimately fruitless endeavor.
Their defining feature is their colorlessness. They make colored Eldrazi for gameplay reasons more than story.
First time around they were in 3 colors, second time in all 5, we don't know what ratios Emrakul's corruption will show up in Moon; though I guess we could predict based on what cards in Shadows showed the most tentacley lattices.

When the Eldrazi show up next time en masse, their colors at lower rarities will correspond with whatever needs the gameplay of that set has more than anything else.


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 Post subject: Re: Eldrazi colour tier
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seems to win in erms of showing evidence of corruption and madness, actually, albeit not by much. as well if you include all the evil angel cards like Descend Upon The Sinful and Angelic Purge.

Emrakul?

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 Post subject: Re: Eldrazi colour tier
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Well, if we want to talk mechanics, delirium shows up primarily in black and green, and mindslaver effects have shown up solely in black.
Flying and trample are everywhere.
Protections from Instants has shown up in green.
So BG apparently.


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