Designing to a portmanteau.

I've added two words to alleviate the stated concerns.

The card only said you could target them, not deal damage to them.

Does this instantly kill all nonland permanents with mana value 0? Can something be said to be "marked with" zero damage?

I imagine the CR would get an update to clarify. I'd interpret that 0 damage is not an amount marked when regarding this card. 0 mana value cards would require at least 1 damage to kill them.

technically dying from 0 toughness is different from dying from lethal damage (hence why the former works on indestructible creatures) so I would assume this could be made to work:



you could also make it require strictly more than its CMC in order to avoid the question entirely.

another question: is this supposed to effectively lower the toughness of, say, aegis turtle, or should it only affect non-creatures?

Can I use this to have the "destroy target artifact" mode of kolaghan's command target another kind of nonland permanent?

I left the functionality intact because I couldn't think of a good reason not to.


I suppose so, which is super confusing. I'm starting to think this card isn't gonna see print.

I love this card. It's a rules *nightmare*, but it's very cute and reasonably flavorful.

Here's how I'd reword it to get it to do the grokkable things.

Pyroneer

Creature - Human Wizard
"Any Target" includes any nonland permanent in addition to its normal definition for spells and abilities you control.
If a noncreature, nonland permanent has damage marked on it equal to or greater than its mana value, this is lethal damage (At least one damage must be marked)
: Pyroneer deals 1 damage to any target.
0/2

is there any reason not to do the Overload thing?

Pyroneer-
Creature-Human Wizard
Replace all instances of "any target" with "target non-land permanent" on spells you control.
All non-land permanents can be damaged. Artifacts and enchantments are destroyed if they've taken damage greater than or equal to their mana value. (Damage is removed at end of turn. They must have taken at least 1 damage.)
: Pyroneer deals 1 damage to any target.
0/2

went with artifact/enchantment because I found myself wondering how this interacts with Planeswalkers and Battles, which already have their own separate mechanisms for how to receive damage that doesn't involve marking it. (that is, a jace beleren that's taken 3 damage this turn won't actually die to this because the rules that govern the removal of loyalty counters replace the creature-based rules for the marking of damage, so that should be clear on the card.) that does also highlight that this is kinda primarily a tool for monored enchantment destruction, which is a big no-no. also how has no one remarked on it being a 2-mana super-prodigal pyromancer yet?

I feel I'd go with "Nonland permanents without a toughness, loyalty, or defense are destroyed..." rather than "Artifacts and enchantments are destroyed..." to remove questions about artifact creatures and the like. Much, much longer, of course.

I honestly thought we'd power-creeped past it by now, just at higher rarities, but looking through some card searches, we haven't had unconditional pinging for MV 2 since Razorfin Hunter. Sooooooo... make it cost .