It is currently Wed Dec 04, 2024 10:45 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 41 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:32 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 23, 2013
Posts: 2583
As titled, pretty much a random thought that strayed into my mind. Then, I started wondering if it is possible to get a good grasp of a player's personality just by looking through their decklist.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:41 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 23, 2013
Posts: 4975
Preferred Pronoun Set: He/him
I think not. Of all the colors, black has the smallest part in my personality, but I was playing a thoroughly evil black discard deck for the longest time. On the other hand, I guess you can tell some things, like the Timmy/Johnny/Spike scale and such.

_________________
Come and play 3 Card Magic! The Most Minimalistic Magic Format! (TM)

my ego sig


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:09 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 23, 2013
Posts: 2583
So it is more correct to say a person's deck reflects his or her mindset?

Edit: Don't people tend to stick to a certain colour?


Last edited by Confused on Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:15 am, edited 2 times in total.

Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:10 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 25, 2013
Posts: 3084
I think Confused is refering to deck construction rather than colour choice. I don't have any metrics, but if you've been playing the same deck with a discard theme for a long time, then that probably says something. What that something is I have no idea. The question is, if we found someone else out these with a similar story (someone else that has been playing with the same discard-heavy theme for a long time, and who also considered it "evil"), would they share a number of similar personality traits with you?

At the same time, I disagree Confused. You're making the assumption that everyone has a similar card pool to draw from, similar friends and group-metas, and similar desires. If Luis Scott Vargas plays a PTQ with a Red/White/Blue control deck over a Green/Black combo deck, that probably doesn't mean anything other than he believes the RWU deck to have a better chance at winning the tournament - and he'd drop it in a second if the GB combo deck worked better. Some players simply won't have access to cards that they want to play, and others have metas so wacky that it makes no sense to play their preferred deck.

While I think that concept of deck-types relating to personality-types may have some grounding and truth, the environment is too chaotic for any useful parrallels to be found. I think you'd have a better chance at finding relationships in games like Warhammer, where players can use the same strategy more often, pick and choose their forces more precisely, and shift meta-games less violently.

_________________
Quote:
"If you refuse to use rock, you will never beat scissors." — Galef, Dakka Dakka Forums


Last edited by Yarium on Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:13 am, edited 3 times in total.

Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:13 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 22, 2013
Posts: 11309
Location: Asleep at the wheel
Preferred Pronoun Set: SE / squinty / squints
Honestly, I believe they call that Timmy, Johnny and Spike.

~SE++

_________________
[D&D 5E] Princes of the Apocalypse | Set-up | In Character | Out of Character | Map: Lance Rock

[Johnny's Quest] October 12 - 18: Cloudstone Curio


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:29 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 23, 2013
Posts: 2583
I agree with the point about the card pool. I guess Johnny, Timmy and Spike explains it pretty well too.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:37 am 
Offline
Member

Joined: Sep 22, 2013
Posts: 3118
no


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:45 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 23, 2013
Posts: 14004
Identity: Chaoslight
Preferred Pronoun Set: She
I'm a Timmy johnny Melvin vorthos who plays every color and likes all cards for different reasons. Except coastal hornclaw.

_________________
altimis wrote:
I never take anytihng Lily says seriously, except for when I take it personally. Then it's personal.
WotC_Ethan wrote:
People, buy more stuff.
#WotCstaff
Spoiler

Image


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:29 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 23, 2013
Posts: 844
Yarium wrote:
At the same time, I disagree Confused. You're making the assumption that everyone has a similar card pool to draw from, similar friends and group-metas, and similar desires. If Luis Scott Vargas plays a PTQ with a Red/White/Blue control deck over a Green/Black combo deck, that probably doesn't mean anything other than he believes the RWU deck to have a better chance at winning the tournament - and he'd drop it in a second if the GB combo deck worked better. Some players simply won't have access to cards that they want to play, and others have metas so wacky that it makes no sense to play their preferred deck.


Two things here. First of all, I think for this to work, you'd have to look at a person's preferred casual deck(s). In casual, you build decks you find fun, so looking at a casual deck someone likes gives you a good idea of what that person finds fun and may give you a window into his personality (may). Looking at what a person plays in PTQ isn't quite as valuable, because as you point out, what deck is best in the meta plays as much, if not a bigger role than what deck is "fun".

That said, assuming that pro players always play the best deck is over-simplistic. In fact, it assumes that there's a single best deck in a given meta, or that the best deck for one person is also the best for the next person. The deck a pro player chooses is, in part, based on their personal preferences. It's not an emotional thing however. It's more a case of having more experience with a given type of deck, therefore playing that type of deck better than another one. For instance, someone who prefers aggro decks will probably play a slightly weaker aggro deck over a control deck because they know that even though, in theory, the aggro deck is worse, in practice, they have a better chance at winning with the aggro deck due to their experience. This is why you will see pro players playing almost exclusively aggro decks, while some other players play almost exclusively control deck. Even flexible players probably have a preference when two decks are equally good. Either way though, this probably has less to do with personality, unless we start analysing the reason for that preference originally.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:00 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 25, 2013
Posts: 3084
That is what I was saying about the pro-players; "he believes the RWU deck to have a better chance". Doesn't mean he's right, but he is playing to maximize his odds as opposed to, as you said, make an emotional choice.

_________________
Quote:
"If you refuse to use rock, you will never beat scissors." — Galef, Dakka Dakka Forums


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:18 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 23, 2013
Posts: 2583
Well, I have heard of people who claims they would never play aggro decks.

The reason why this question came to mind, which seems laughable now that I think about it, was because of my casual Simic deck. It used to run with undying creatures and Zameck guildmage but since Innistrad rotated out, I had to swap some cards out. Then, I wondered why do I seem to like forming decks that are opposites on the color pie. Before wondering why do I still want to continue with my G/U deck despite the main reason that I kept it around for is gone. And then, it made me wonder how much influence a person's personality has in creating what deck to play.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:24 pm 
Offline
Member

Joined: Sep 22, 2013
Posts: 3118
Confused wrote:
Well, I have heard of people who claims they would never play aggro decks.

some people don't like mindless decks

its not a reflection of personality, they just want to have fun playing a game


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:44 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 23, 2013
Posts: 2583
Ko wrote:
Confused wrote:
Well, I have heard of people who claims they would never play aggro decks.

some people don't like mindless decks

its not a reflection of personality, they just want to have fun playing a game


And I am not saying that it is a reflection of personality. I was referring to Filobel's point about people playing what they are experienced with. His words happened to bring back some memories of hearing someone at the card shop I frequent say that before.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:14 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 23, 2013
Posts: 859
Location: Indy
At first yes, the longer someone plays the game, the less likely it will be, with some exceptions.

I still play mainly red, and I'm told I'm a hot head and a bit impulsive.

_________________
Yuri is best girl!


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:35 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 22, 2013
Posts: 5701
Location: Inside my own head
Identity: Human
I'm sorry if this has already been said or suggested; I haven't done more than skim the comments, so this is in reply to the opening question:

I think, to an extent, yes; but I think it has more to do with how they play their deck than what the deck contains. For instance, whenever I put together any deck that includes :r: "target creature or player takes [arbitrary amount of] damage"-cards, my first choice is always to destroy their attackers. Even when I created a completely :r: deck with as many damage-inducing cards as I had access to, my strategy was almost always "keep the opponent's field empty."

I also think you would have to know what the player has access to, what cards he/she owns. I own a lot of lackluster cards, for instance; and I never, ever, try to keep up with current formats, so my decks are invariably near-singletons from a plethora of sets.

_________________
Bow before my King!
The King of the Warm Fuzzies
Feel the Warm Fuzzies!


Quoth the Raven, for truth.
Know your roots.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:52 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 23, 2013
Posts: 3673
Identity: Goblin Piker
I'm going to make myself the de facto psychologist here and say no.

I've got the credentials to back it up.

_________________
Twitter: (at)MrEnglish22 if you want to reach me
My cube: https://cubecobra.com/cube/list/mrenglish22


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:54 pm 
Offline
Member

Joined: Sep 22, 2013
Posts: 3118
its too bad you don't have the credentials to post faster than me


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:38 pm 
Offline
Member

Joined: Sep 22, 2013
Posts: 3118
that's not a personality you idiot


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:31 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 23, 2013
Posts: 1145
door (dooooooooooor) wrote:
aggro decks are for people who don't like thinking


I would argue that is an over-simplification. After all, why take ten turns to build if you can win in four? In that respect, aggro players are no less thinking than a combo player. One views keeping it simple and going straight for the throat with maximum force using maximum speed, one kills with a minimum of resources to give them room to get that win con. Both can involve very thought-heavy processes to out-think your opponent BEFORE the match ever starts, and zero to do with actual thought use.

It is as much a fallacy to state aggro players don't like to think as to say that control players diddle around and can't go for the win without overwhelming odds.

_________________
"Are you sure you want to do that?" - Most important question I can ask you as a DM. So pay attention! :D

http://www.opengamingfoundation.org/srd.html (3.0 SRD)
http://www.d20srd.org/ (3.5 SRD)


Last edited by Arcane Archer on Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:33 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:33 pm 
Offline
Member

Joined: Sep 22, 2013
Posts: 3118
Arcane Archer wrote:

I would argue that is an over-simplification.


yeah, he knows that too m8


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 41 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group