unless I miscounted, I should outrace decks 9 and 10 on the play, since I can sacrifice my land as well. specifically:

-paradise, suspend Gargadon (10 time counters)
-wasteland, kill paradise (sacrificed to Gargadon, 9 TC), play phantasm (sacrifice all tokens, 4 TC)
-3 TC
-16-19
-2 TC
-12-18
-1 TC
-8-17
0 TC, attack, 8-9

and I win

Hm, you're right. So it's 3-3?

This also changes 2 and 4 vs. 9 and 10.

I don't go to MIT, but we do this for fun in our spare time.




The next round is supposed to start "Thursday" right?

I'm hoping to get it started early Thursday, but we'll see.

yep

Engineering Students

Season 3 Awards
Consolation prizes: POSValkir and KeeperofManyNames
For the round you placed last in, pick one nonbasic card to ban from a 1st place deck.

Alternate Format Winners
WUBRG: Hello World
Moroii: purple shrimp
You may each suggest a new alternate format to be added to next season's poll.

Grand Prizes!
1st place: Hello World
2nd place: purple shrimp
3rd place: mjack33
Each change awarded allows you to either add a card or remove a card from the vanilla banned list. First place gets three changes, second place gets two, and third place gets one.

Congratulations to all of our winners! Here's the final scoreboard.

Banning Mishra's workshop and steel overseer.
Unbanning phyrexian revoker.

Unless somebody strongly wants to object.

Why steel overseer? Not objecting, just curious.


.... I need the day to think about this.



I was reading the consolation prize text you posted....... they basically get to pick from the first place decks? Give me a second to look....

Edit: So they get to pick from:

Mishra's Workshop - hello world already hit this
Chalice of Life
Ensnaring Bridge
Black Lotus
Frost Titan
Surrak Dragonclaw
Meddling Mage
Phyrexian Metamorph
Mana Short
Skylasher
Eon Hub
Greater Gargadon
Undiscovered Paradise
Path to Exile

I can guess which ones are likely to get hit already if that is the case.

Or is it literally the 1st place deck from the round they placed last in? Because banning frost titan or black lotus is almost as fun as banning ensnaring bridge or chalice of life.

I think what I do is going to partially depend on what Shrimp does. I have some idea, but his bans/unbans very realistically could affect it. I also kind of want to avoid cancelling out whatever he does too.

the only way you could cancel it is by banning stuff he unbans or vice versa, which is impossible to do by accident because you know what the current state of ban/unbanning is.

No, Gibbering Descent still has a Madness cost of . Once Rush discards Wasteland, his Descent isn't landing.



I don't think you're timing Ajani right (I got it wrong in my initial scoring too). Ajani would need to fire its +1 twice for every time it fires its -2 just to stay afloat. So that's every third turn it gains 3 life (and deals 3 damage). But it's losing 3 life every single turn to Descent+MountainMoroii+AjaniMoroii. Playing a Mountain there rather than another Lotus or a Petal or even a Leonin Squire or Simian Spirit Guide was unwise (even if the extra permanent guards Ajani against Crack the Earth).

Just looking at the most simple case, 13v18:

18: Mountain Lotus Ajani (3) fire -2 loy abililty (1) (23-17)
13: Lotus Lotus Gibbering Descent
18: Lose 3 to Descent and Moroiis (20-17) fire +1 loy ability (2)
13: Skip upkeep, do nothing
18: Lose 3 to Descent and Moroiis (17-17) fire +1 loy ability (3)
13: Skip upkeep, do nothing
18: Lose 3 to Descent and Moroiis (14-17) fire -2 loy ability (1) (17-14)
13: Skip upkeep, do nothing
18: Lose 3 to Descent and Moroiis (14-14) fire +1 loy ability (2)
13: Skip upkeep, do nothing
18: Lose 3 to Descent and Moroiis (11-14) fire +1 loy ability (3)
13: Skip upkeep, do nothing
18: Lose 3 to Descent and Moroiis (8-14) fire -2 loy ability (1) (11-11)
13: Skip upkeep, do nothing
18: Lose 3 to Descent and Moroiis (8-11) fire +1 loy ability (2)
13: Skip upkeep, do nothing
18: Lose 3 to Descent and Moroiis (5-11) fire +1 loy ability (3)
13: Skip upkeep, do nothing
18: Lose 3 to Descent and Moroiis (2-11) fire -2 loy ability (1) (5-8)
13: Skip upkeep, do nothing
18: Lose 3 to Descent and Moroiis (2-8) fire +1 loy ability (2)
13: Skip upkeep, do nothing
18: Lose 3 to Descent and Moroiis (dead-8)

16v18 is basically the same.


The Orchard variant doesn't fare it any better

18: Mountain Lotus Ajani (3) fire -2 loy abililty (1) (23-17)
19: LED Orchard Gibbering Descent (gift spirit)
18: Lose 4 to Descent and Moroiis, swing for 1 (19-16) fire +1 loy ability (2)
19: Skip upkeep, gift spirit
18: Lose 5 to Descent and Moroiis, swing for 2 (14-14) fire +1 loy ability (3)
19: Skip upkeep, gift spirit
18: Lose 6 to Descent and Moroiis, swing for 3 (8-11) fire -2 loy ability (1) (11-8)
19: Skip upkeep, gift spirit
18: Lose 7 to Descent and Moroiis, swing for 4 (4-4) fire +1 loy ability (2)
19: Skip upkeep, gift spirit
18: Lose 8 to Descent and Moroiis, die hard

There is also a branch where Ajani spends the first 5 turns going +1, and then blowing up the mountain before starting to burn the opponent, but I don't know if that makes a difference.

Unbanning something worse than what someone else wants to ban can also do that.

More realistically, I'm not that worried about shrimp. I'm worried about someone banning black lotus in the consolation prizes. ... Or shrimp picking black lotus.

Basically unbanning things if black lotus gets banned is semi-pointless.

It doesn't. Not even close.

18: Mountain Lotus Ajani (3) fire +1 loy abililty (4)
13: Lotus Lotus Gibbering Descent
18: Lose 3 to Descent and Moroiis (17-20) fire +1 loy ability (5)
13: Skip upkeep, do nothing
18: Lose 3 to Descent and Moroiis (14-20) fire +1 loy ability (6)
13: Skip upkeep, do nothing
18: Lose 3 to Descent and Moroiis (11-20) fire +1 loy ability (7)
13: Skip upkeep, do nothing
18: Lose 3 to Descent and Moroiis (8-20) fire +1 loy ability (8)
13: Skip upkeep, do nothing
18: Lose 3 to Descent and Moroiis (5-20) fire -7 loy ability to destroy own Mountain (1)
13: Skip upkeep, do nothing
18: Lose 2 to Descent and Moroii (3-20) fire +1 loy ability (2)
13: Skip upkeep, do nothing
18: Lose 2 to Descent and Moroii (1-20) ...

At this point 18's only choices are either to fire +1 again and lose never even having dealt any damage to the opponent, or fire the -2, deal 3 damage and gain 3 life and get rid of its own last permanent, but inevitably die to the Descent 4 turns later.

Unban them now, unban Black Lotus later.

This terrible internet is going painfully slow...what round did I get last in and what are my banning options?

Also, do I HAVE to ban something? Also, If I was last in WUBRG or Moroii, would my banning only be for ALT rounds?

Wow, lots of things to respond to.

@thatmarkguy
You're right about 13v16. That should be 3-3.
I think I forgot about the Mountain in deck 18. Changing those three match-ups to 0-6.
Editing the scoreboard now. It looks like nothing significant changed. I am so glad I automated the score averaging process.

@Grand Prize Winners
Just to be clear, you can't ban something that's already on the list, and you can't unban something that isn't on the list. Basically, you can't "counter" another winner's change by making the exact opposite change.

@POSValkir
You lost the first Vanilla round. Since two decks were tied for first, you can ban any one of the following cards: Mishra's Workshop, Ensnaring Bridge, Chalice of Life, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale, Cathedral of War, or Inkmoth nexus. Hello World is already banning Mishra's Workshop, so that leaves you with five choices.
You do have to ban a card. The consolation prize is only given out for Vanilla rounds, because the Alternate Format banned list doesn't change.

@KeeperofManyNames
Your ban options are Black Lotus or Frost Titan.

Valkir you get to ban one of multiple cards you regularly complain about, including some of your favorite lands ever.



@Jim, I want to unban chancellor of the annex

I hate you mjack.