summer bloom is a thing, so you could cast a 6-drop on turn 2 (thanks to a mox) and not be limited to workshop mana

alternately you can hold back summer bloom until turn 2 and use it as a better dark ritual

If you're going to use Sol Ring, why not use it for a T2 Titan? Beats Garruk+Karn deck (if you use Inferno Titan).

That list being:

Sol Ring
Sol Ring
Inferno Titan

You don't need mana acceleration to get just about any creature you want (barring reshuffle-clause ones) into play T2. The question is, is T2 fast enough?

T1 Mind Bomb, discard Iona, Shield of Emeria / Void Winnower / It That Betrays / whatever bomb creature you'd like that doesn't have a reshuffle clause
T2 Animate Dead / Reanimate / Dance of the Dead

^ I knew about all of the above too.

There are quite a few ways to get fast mana or fast creatures, and even if I didn't know of any I would assume that's just b/c I don't know enough and that someone else is capable of sneaking stuff in.

The question then becomes is that all in kind of strategy better than something more .... well spread out? For example you could play something like

Hymn to Tourach
Damnation
Vraska the Unseen

and try to neuter opposing decks. Anything we just talked about gets destroyed very hard by discard cards like hymn and Mind Twist.

Then there's a sub-decision where do I want to run something like Sol Ring to ensure I discard their entire hand on turn 2? Or is it worth the risk to run an extra removal/threat?

Last land round, GS got some decent mileage from Gerrard's Verdict. A 2-discard on T2 is a credible threat.

There's 3 kinds of speed here - those that win fast, those that dump hand fast (and duck t2 discard like Hymn/Verdict), and those that set up their disruption fast. I think a deck that doesn't do one of the three will be in trouble.

Hymn doesn't harm my deck at all. I don't play mind bomb alone on t1 of course, I just play a land. If you hymn me on full hand I just discard mind bomb and Iona and then keep an use reanimate. Or I wait until the turn I can bomb and reanimate on the same turn. Then you're locked out of black spells.

There's also cards like Leyline of Sanctity and Loxodon Smiter.




Well if I was going to play 3 cards I would make them different colors for spread. I could also just play

Sol Ring
Mind Twist
Beacon of Destruction

and really **** with your day.

A split? Ooooo.

This is a fun game where you say what you'd do after knowing what my deck is. We could do this all day and the last speaker will always be able to show a foil for the preceding speaker. yeah, you'd have played 3 different colors for fear of Iona, that's why your example deck was damnation and vraska.

The point of the game is to propose counters and counters to those counters. Then I will go off on my own and decide which are ludicrous and which actually make sense, all while learning a lot I didn't know about the game from some smart people.

Isn't that the point of a meta discussion?

My original deck was going to be ajani and sorin until I decided that was stupid. Then I looked at Gideon and Vraska. Then Garruk + anything 6 or 7 mana. <- After all of which I tried to figure out how I would beat all those and whether one big reanimation bomb was just better to do than the entire thing. Then I googled fast mana decks in modern. Then I got worried about removal and tried to figure out a bunch of ways I could cover all my bases without being too weak to artifact and enchantment win cons. Then b/c i'm jack I tried to make Emrakul work and decided it wasn't worth it. The last thing I considered before making this thread was whether i should just say **** it and do triple Wurmcoil Engine, which I decided was probably stupid. And now here we are, spitballing some ideas back and forth.

Edit: Meanwhile Edacade is trying to figure out which of these decks I was dumb enough to propose that i'm actually going to run.

Oh man, you've got me all figured out. Guess I should watch my back.

It was a joke .

actually i found it disappointing because it doesn't really deal with eldrazi or progenitus which was problematic (eldrazi is the best endgame easily, so make sure you respect that), but that is hindsight and verdict did well when it didn't have to deal with either of those

Oh man, some of you are really spending time on this. Dare I say overthinking? I was all for some Eldrazi, but then I noticed that annihilator is not as good as it should be when everyone has excess lands. I'm thinking removal - counter - threat ATM.

countermagic has the problem of being rather slow, so you really need fast hard counters, and those are usually narrow so you have to pick the right one for the expected metagame

otherwise the obvious choice is mana drain

Mana Drain is about as fast as Hymn to Tourach but deals with one less card. I think for the time being that discard is stronger just because it's going to do more against most slower decks, while counterspells basically have most of the same speed weaknesses.

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I have legitimately forgotten what deck i submitted. I hope it was a good one.

Well, I thought the point of this thread was to identify potential problems with new formats, and maybe propose some bans. I don't really mind you playing mind games with us, but I don't think that is what the thread was intended for.

This thread was created b/c Jim and Door and a few other people got pissed at me and Valkir and a few other people openly discussing the format in the main thread. The entire point was to openly discuss the format ad nauseum if we wanted to in a place where people wouldn't have to read it.

This thread was created in 2015, you joined 2016. How could this thread have been created because of you discussing things in the main thread?

Don't understand if you are **** with me or you really don't know. People keep pretending they don't know when they do and other people really don't know and I can't tell the difference.

One moment. I'll do a costume change.

Ta-dah.

Good lord the blue and white background is a good way to bleed the eyes. Much prefer the red and gray.

I don't want to change my sig but I don't want to look at it all the time either, so I have an alt I use almost exclusively.

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Edit: I should have made a joke about being a time traveling wizard that is really the 776th clone of thatmarkguy from the future. Darn too late.

.... Or is it?