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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 1:25 am 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 2:06 am 
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Um, Jim? Commander is a Singelton format. You can't play double LED.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:22 am 
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huh, I should have had Oloro as my Commander and Karlov as part of my deck...

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:41 am 
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You get more points from me this way. When you're on the play you land the ram and it holds Alesha off forever. If you're gaining life from Oloro instead, Alesha finishes what the Master of Cruelties can't finish on his own.

Edit: but you do lose to me when I'm on the play. My deck wins on my t2. At that point you've only played one land.

I play Peat Bog, LED, Alesha t1 and pitch Master of Cruelties.

On two, Alesha swings, the trigger goes off and Master joins Alesha. When Master goes unblocked you go to 1 life... Then when Alesha deals first strike damage you die.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:05 am 
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well that was awful


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:49 am 
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Y'all are just jealous of my sweet, forbidden deck.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:13 am 
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Not me. I had your deck swept anyways. Was unhappy you got disqualified, as it closed the gap between me and the others. :p

(If I hadn't talked with Aaarrrgh causing me to look closer at the banlist than my initial cursory glance, I would have submitted a deck with Karakas in it - doh!)


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:51 pm 
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And hey, it looks like Aaarrrgh wins! I had said in private that I didn't think his concept would fare well because it doesn't do anything until turn 3, but he went with it anyway ... and beat everyone but me, but with my 2 draws Aaarrrgh edges me in points. Nice.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:11 pm 
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Yeah, I think this is my favorite deck I've ever created for 3CM. I think every other time I've done well it's been with an established or derivative deck. This is my first victory with 100% originality.

I like the diversity we got in this round, by the way. Good job, everyone!

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:24 pm 
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I really wanted to get Liliana, Heretical Healer to work...but I cannot find a way. This round was probably the closest she'll ever come...I was gonna use Lotus, Swamp, and Death Cultist. Then I found out Lotus was banned. I never would have thought LED as useable...I don't play Commander enough I guess.

The other deck I wanted to try for funsies, since I thought this was pretty much a free round for me, was:
Forest
Utopia Mycon
Thallid
Thelon of Havenwood

All in all, it was a cool round with some cool decks. I also found a fun twist on an old Vanilla favorite.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 9:36 pm 
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With LED it's trivial to get Liliana out. But even without... Swamp, Dark Ritual, and any of Hangarback Walker, Endless One, Phyrexian Marauder, or Shifting Wall would get you a flipped Lili + Zombie on T1 as well. Lili's second and third Loyalty abilities would be useless in this situation though, so you'd basically be playing for once-per-turn discard and a 2/2 creature. Any deck that can do a T1 discard and a threat will get some wins from it, but there are already better ways.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:27 am 
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@aaarrrgh:
So how exactly does Ulamog shuffle ability work in 3cm? I was guessing you draw the cards one per turn, and I determine the order. If so, if I go first, I can get down Sanctuary before your first Ulamog attack (I make you draw Ulamog on turn two, and LED on three). And then you can't attack me any more, and I can ping you do death at my leisure.

Great deck, by the way. Ulamog tokens!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 2:58 am 
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You only get the sanctuary effect if you control it during your draw step. That means I can still attack t3, and you have to sac all of your stuff.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:46 am 
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Ups.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:47 am 
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Mark777:

Starts with 40 life. Goes to 42 on first upkeep. Plays Chasm on turn x, with 38 + 2x life. On turn y, he must pay 2(y-x) life, so his life total change on turn y is 2(y-x-1). On turn z, his life change from turns x+1 to turn z add to Sum(y=x+1->z)[2(y-x-1)] = 2Sum(n=0->z-x-1)[n] = (z-x-1)(z-x). His life total on turn z is, then 38 + 2x - (z-x-1)(z-x) = 38 + (z+x) - (z-x)^2.

And this is without counting the Choker! And without counting any damage I can do to him before he plays the Chasm.

It is of course best for him to play Choker on turn one, since he can play Chasm on two and never lose any life to the Choker. Wow, so at least that's easy. Wait, no, he loses two life on his second upkeep, before he can play the Chasm. So, he can either start hitting me on my turn one, or on my turn two. If he chooses the first option, the above formula is two life points too high.

Every player controls the Choker on his turns. Since I can't deal damage to him, my best strategy is to remove a token from the choker on my upkeep, before the damage-dealing resolves. I can start doing that on my turn four. If he played it on turn one and he started the game, it has eight counters, and it dealt 9 damage to me already. So it deals another seven, then 8, 9, and finally 10, killing me my turn seven. Which is right after his turn seven, and he can easily life that long. In fact, for x=2 and z=7, his life total on his seventh main phase is 20.

So I think it's safe to say I lose, without going into complete details of his best tactic, and the variation for me going first.

I haven't done this much math, and enjoyed it, for a few years now :)

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Zlehtnoba wrote:
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Don't worry about it, I didn't see it until the third time I read the card.

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If a player were to win a season without winning any single round in that season, would that be a first?

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In advance of my coronation I'd like to plant a thought with the unbanners: I plan to speed vanilla up again. Try not to unban things that would be excessively broken in a world of speedier mana accessibility. And if you want to ban the things that are currently unbanned that would be absolutely busted in lotusland, that'd help. :)


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Plot twist: thatmarkguy gets 2nd place.

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I guess I came up with an Alternate Format. Might need help with the wording.

You pick 2 cards. They are in your starting hand. You pick a 3rd card. That makes up a 60 card deck (each player draws on their first turn). Each player gets to play one basic land per turn from outside of the game. Black Lotus is banned, Mishra's Workshop is banned, and any deck that can mill the opponent in the first 10 turns is banned. In addition to the normal alt round ban-list.

Whoever wants to can come up with a name.

Edit: Also Treasure Hunt would be banned. While hilarious that deck defeats the spirit of what I am going for.


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