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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:46 pm 
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I think it's pretty clear here the real broken card: Island. It's Encroach and Wasteland immune, it can cast a Chronomaton and can still pay for Daze immediately thereafter. Ban Island!


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 8:46 pm 
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dude is this from when i ran it

i love ELO we should bring it back

It's from when I ran it. Which I think was two hosts after you.

You're old.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 10:24 pm 
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i love ELO we should bring it back

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:03 am 
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Seems a very rock-paper-scissors format. I expect a lot of discard. Channex seems really weak since it doesnt beat chrono and I havent found a version that beats discard and stays competitive vs anything else.

Without Lotus there no room for competitive innovation...land destruction's too big a threat in combo with discard. My Squire/Martial Coup deck did pretty decent in a lotus round, it would get wrecked this round.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:02 pm 
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Close... in the most recent vanilla round (s6 vanilla redux) I made #4 of 16 with a no-rack-no-shriek discard deck.

(bah, your last sentence edit...)


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 2:23 pm 
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Discard gets better the harder it is to cast your stuff. I didn't say I thought it would win, I said I expected a lot of it. Regardless of how well discard does, it cuts your score, making it harder to place high if you haven't prepared for it, all while leaving the owner of the discard deck in a comfortably competitive position. It's a safe bet over meta-gaming. It snaps up anyone playing Energy Field or Double Bloom to circumvent turn 1 threats like double chrono, while plugging in some 3's (and sometimes 6's) against other control decks...specifically Land Destruction, or Scepter decks.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 4:32 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2015 12:33 am 
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That card feels like it costs one more mana than Thalia, Guardian of Thraben.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:40 am 
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If it doesn't have to survive, then Mogg Fanatic or Gut Shot.

If it doesn't have to be a one drop, saprazzan skerry + fog bank + scalding tongs could be a fun deck.


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 5:27 am 
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is there any 1 drop that beats chronomaton 1 on 1 because i dont think there is

there are ones that 3-3 it (pingers) but not 6-0

So do double 2cc threat.

That was basically my train of thought when I sent in doublemayor.
Beats Chrono and goes around Chancellor, goes around most discard too. Previous season showed those would probably be the most played decks.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 5:40 am 
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doesn't any 1-drop with evasion beat chronomaton at least on the play


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:02 am 
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No, Chrono wins on turn 9 and can chump pump the only 3 power one drops before they can win (none with evasion). Which means the 2 power 1 drops cant win even if they have evasion and haste.

Thallid + Pendelhaven beats one Chrono (as we saw in Concise), but double chrono is tough to mess with
Mayor, Tangle, City wins almost as much as dual Mayor and isn't vulnerable to land destruction or Channex
Ornithopter + Forced Adaptation beats a single Chrono and maybe double
I think Door's old Bloodhall Ooze deck might beat Chrono too
Aaannnddd I think Rush's Sarcomancy deck beats it

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:00 am 
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That was basically my train of thought when I sent in doublemayor.
Beats Chrono and goes around Chancellor, goes around most discard too. Previous season showed those would probably be the most played decks.

It was one of three decks I considered, but I hesitated because I expected a bigger showing from Sea's Claim/Lush Growth/Evil Presence style decks (which I expected in force to combat white storagelands in Channex decks, City of Traitors, activated manlands...)

Also the deck wouldn't get past removal-backed Channex decks (which nobody played). Channex-Dismember-DryadArbor or Channex-GutShot-(zerodrop or FountainOfCho) 6-0's it; Channex-Path-FountainOfCho 4-1's.


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:23 am 
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Yeah, I expected a lot more of that last round as well. Pendelhaven + Forge was a ploy to out maneuver those decks while powerhousing through Evil Presence type decks (while still being relatively original) . Meta went a bit of a different direction. The next shift should be even more interesting!

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:34 am 
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Just play Dual Storage Land Martial Coup for funsies.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:05 am 
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Wow. Isn't that the kind of tech you keep to yourself?

Would that have won round 1, or just top-3'd it?


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 4:21 pm 
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Huh, I guess last round would have been good for it, I passed on it.

I just assumed someone was already thinking about it after I used it with Artifact Destruction in an earlier round. Plus it loses hard to dual Chrono and Mayor and is highly vulnerable to discard and counters, loses to Emrakul, ties Bridge, ties Field...it really needs a specific meta.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:03 pm 
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This new spoiler immediately made me think of 3CM.
Magic Origins Spoiler

It'll never replace Chronomaton, since it costs , but I like that it can die and still win the game.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:29 pm 
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I don't see why it wouldn't. It just takes an extra turn to get a second one down but it has added insurance.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:35 pm 
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Because ChronoDaze :(

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