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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 2:47 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:08 pm 
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Okay, here's my formula for door vs. Dr.

door can't cast Elixir of Immortality (EI) on the same turn as another spell without using the upkeep trick. Doing so would allow Dr to Necrotic Sliver (NS) it, thus ending Dr's ability to cycle. The game really comes down to sequencing Meddling Mage (MM) on the right card from door's hand. IF MM ever names anything other than EI, door can obtain a draw by gaining 5 life each turn for the rest of the game. Let's put Dr. on the play since door's deck is reactive and can basically play the same from either end.

Dr (1): Play Volrath's Stronghold (VS), cast MM naming Bant Charm (BC). (Casting NS doesn't have an immediate impact on the board, especially since door can't cast EI and another spell. If MM named EI, it'd still get charmed one way or another. If it named Mardu Charm (MC), door would get to EOT BC, upkeep MC for tokens.) End of turn, door casts MC on MM.
door (1): Cast EI. EOT, Dr activates VS to top MM.
Dr (2): Draw MM, cast MM naming BC. EOT, door activates EI. (20/25) Cards get stacked top to bottom EI then MC.
door (2): Draws EI and plays it.
Dr (3): Casts NS. Attacks with MM. (20/23)
door (3): Upkeep BC MM. Mana refills. Draws and casts MC.
Dr (4): Draws MM and casts it naming BC. EOT, door activates EI. (20/28) Cards get stacked top to bottom EI then BC then MC.
door (4): Casts EI. EOT, Dr activates VS to top NS.
Dr (5): Casts NC, attacks with MM. (20/26)
door (5): Draws BC.
Dr (6): Attacks with MM and NS. (20/22)
door (6): Draws MC.
Dr (7): Attacks with MM and NS. (20/18)
door (7): upkeep cast MC on MM, activate EI (20/23). Cards get stacked EI then MC. Draw EI, cast BC on NS. EOT, VS on MM.
Dr (8): Draw and cast MM naming MC.
door (8): Draw MC, cast EI.
Dr (9): Draw and cast NS, attack with MM. (20/21) EOT, activate EI (20/26). Cards get stacked EI then BC.
door (9): Draw and cast EI.
Dr (10): Attack (20/22)
door (10): Draw BC.
Dr (11): Attack, BC the MM. (20/20) EOT, activate EI. (20/25)



So apparently I didn't get to a conclusion where it cycles on that, but I can't really see where a breakthrough is made on either end, so I'm calling it a 2-2.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:19 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:27 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:43 pm 
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Don't worry, it's not even that good of a deck.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 4:43 pm 
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Good or not, it means I have to start thinking again. I thought my thinking for the week was over but then people started talking.


It may not beat the best of your grid, Rush, but I think it would have beat a slew of creature based decks that would have gone awares of its possibility as a foil to their stompystompy plan. But now they're forewarned.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 4:51 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 4:52 pm 
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I mean...I made Stuffy Doll "work" last round...doesn't mean it should have influenced anyone.

Edit: but as Rush says...sorry :(.

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Dr (1): Play Volrath's Stronghold (VS), cast MM naming Bant Charm (BC). (Casting NS doesn't have an immediate impact on the board, especially since door can't cast EI and another spell. If MM named EI, it'd still get charmed one way or another. If it named Mardu Charm (MC), door would get to EOT BC, upkeep MC for tokens.)

let's assume this is the correct open for Dr. (I'm pretty sure it is, although I think they cast Sliver here.) Door obviously can't get anywhere by trying to control Mage, so why not ignore it?

Dr: MM (BC), VS, NS (eot MC for tokens)
Door: elixir, activate (20-25)
Dr: swing for 4 (20-21)
Door: elixir, swing for 2 (18-21)
Dr: swing for 4 (18-17)
Door: Charm for tokens, activate elixir, swing for 2 (16-22)
Dr: swing for 4 (16-18)
Door: elixir, swing for 4 (12-18)
Dr: swing for 4 (12-14)
Door: Charm for tokens, elixir, swing for 4 (8-19)

you can see where this is going. Dr. can stunt the token growth with Sliver, but I don't think it's enough. let's check, though:

Dr: MM (BC), VS, NS (eot MC) (2 tokens)
Door: elixir, activate (20-25)
Dr: swing for 4, sac sliver, top it (20-21, 1 token)
Door: elixir, swing for 1 (19-21)
Dr: NS, swing for 2 (19-19)
Door: Charm, activate, swing (18-24, 3 tokens)
Dr: swing for 4, sac, top (18-20, 2 tokens)
Door: elixir, swing (16-20)

and so on. the fact that sliver and stronghold both need black seems to be a major limiting factor here, but the bottom line is that Dr can't keep up with the token generation, and can't outrace the lifegain. which means MM naming Bant Charm can't win, and you already logically demonstrated why MM naming anything else can't win, so Dr. D can't win.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:58 pm 
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yeah after talking it over with Rush some more I'm sold on 2-2, but you guys both suck.

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Dr: MM (BC), VS, NS (eot MC for tokens)

how can he cast both of those on the same turn?

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razorborne wrote:
Dr: MM (BC), VS, NS (eot MC for tokens)

how can he cast both of those on the same turn?

he can't, I forgot that they both cost white, but it's not actually relevant.

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