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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:19 pm 
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Well, eureka emrakul is a thing. Just saying you might want to be able to credibly beat that.


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:29 pm 
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What do you mean? You get to put all three Signal Pests into play off of Eureka!

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And here I thought I broke everything with 3 X Straw Golem...I'm seriously outclassed...

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:53 pm 
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Dr_Demento wrote:
What do you mean? You get to put all three Signal Pests into play off of Eureka!


Emrakul has flying so can block :p

Also annihilator 6 and an extra turn.


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:56 pm 
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No extra turn, they aren't casting it, so I reckon the matchup is about even.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:06 pm 
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You all are making me feel bad...all I came up with was:

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:22 pm 
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Dr_Demento wrote:
No extra turn, they aren't casting it, so I reckon the matchup is about even.


3 signal pest does not race 1 emrakul.


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:37 pm 
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Like I'm going to go through all the lines of play.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:21 pm 
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There are no lines of play there. You have 3 2 attack creatures vs a creature with annihilator 6.

They don't win.


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:22 pm 
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I'll trust your math for now, but I'll make sure CommanderJim double checks it after the spreadsheet is posted.

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I'm telling you...the heaven's need bearing! This is our one chance to run a Magus of the Disk deck that can sometimes win!!! WOW!! The middle finger has never been so important :P

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:43 pm 
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POSValkir wrote:
I'm telling you...the heaven's need bearing! This is our one chance to run a Magus of the Disk deck that can sometimes win!!! WOW!! The middle finger has never been so important :P


The ability still costs :1:, so you would still need to cheat it into play with a storage land and thus it's very slow.


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:46 pm 
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I've done a bit more math on the Signal Pest/Emrakul match-up, and there are just too many decisions to figure out. When do you attack? How many Pests do you swing with? I'm not sure I wanna play Triple Pest anymore... the calculations are a nightmare.

Anyway, here's another one:

Tundra/Thalia, Guardian of Thraben/Gilded Drake

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:48 am 
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Meta discussion for Alpha round, without naming specific decks:

Mown wrote:
RPS format if I've ever seen one.


It's not even a complete loop of RPS, is it?

The three basic types are ManaManaThreat, ManaThreatThreat, and ManaThreatRemoval.

ManaThreatRemoval > ManaManaThreat
ManaManaThreat > ManaThreatThreat
ManaThreatThreat ties ManaThreatRemoval


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:16 am 
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My current metagame is something like:

MMT0 > MTR2 = MMT0, MTT0 < MTR1
MTR1 > MMT0 = MTR1, MTR2 < MTT0
MTR2 > MTT0 = MTR1, MTR2 < MMT0
MTT0 > MTR1 = MTT0, MMT0 < MTR2

Mana, Threat, Removal. 0 is just for spacing for decks with only one variant.
Which means that every deck ties with itself, then wins, loses and ties with one other deck. There is not a single deck capable of going 3-3.

Edit: There is one other deck which sort of throws things around a little, looking at it.
Okay, I think the metagame is 7 decks.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:40 am 
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I have. It's hard not to with a box this small.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:58 am 
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I love these severely limited formats. Total exercise in metagaming.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:59 am 
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Simply not-getting-6-0'd isn't especially tough. But if your deck takes a lot of 3-3s and 2-2s it won't win.

Most Mana-Threat-Removal decks don't suffer 6-0 unless the opposing deck's threat is handpicked to be resilient to your deck's chosen removal (while necessarily still vulnerable to other decks'/colors' removal).


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:23 pm 
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I found a deck that (I assume) will 2-2 every deck played. If we only have 15 players again...thats only 28 pts. That means 4 6's and and 3 2's beat it...which seems like an average score...

Otherwise...I've found two answers to every deck out there. I did find a "cool" mana/mana/threat deck, but there isnt any reason to play it over the head honcho.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:31 pm 
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I'm pretty sure there is no deck that 2-2's the entire field, but that takes Evil Presence into consideration.

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