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tony3

Post subject: Re: Cards you most want to see reprinted

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:39 pm

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purple shrimp wrote:

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Force of Will: it's the great equalizer of Legacy: any one stupid keystone card got you down? Same turn combo stomping everything? No it's not, because FoW is here to save the day -- because of the extra card investment to pitch it, you don't use it except when you must. It would serve the same purpose for Modern, making the format healthier overall. And right now, it's painfully expensive: printing it sub-mythic in a modern set would bring it down to comparative sane levels, at least after the initial spike.

force of will is honestly a pretty bad card a lot of the time, in Legacy at least

uh what

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LilyStorm

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Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:40 pm

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Its purple shrimp?

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Tevish Szat

Post subject: Re: Cards you most want to see reprinted

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:41 pm

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purple shrimp wrote:

Tevish Szat wrote:

force of will is honestly a pretty bad card a lot of the time, in Legacy at least

And yet it's a $70 must-have, because despite usually being a five mana Counterspell, when something truly degenerate comes along, it's there to bail you out.

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Post subject: Re: Cards you most want to see reprinted

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:45 pm

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tony3 wrote:

purple shrimp wrote:

Tevish Szat wrote:

force of will is honestly a pretty bad card a lot of the time, in Legacy at least

uh what

if I am playing a blue deck and end up against any deck that isn't blue or combo, there is a good chance I will be taking out force of will. for example, I play Death & Taxes in legacy, and force of will is extremely bad against that deck

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purple shrimp wrote:

Tevish Szat wrote:

force of will is honestly a pretty bad card a lot of the time, in Legacy at least

And yet it's a $70 must-have, because despite usually being a five mana Counterspell, when something truly degenerate comes along, it's there to bail you out.

alternatively, you could play D&T and crush all the people playing five-mana Counterspells while still having a decent matchup against degenerate decks

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LilyStorm

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Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:52 pm

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But the best deck in legacy is didgeridoo.

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Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:55 pm

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LilyStorm wrote:

They should make special proxies that are legal for vintage and casual matches. So now we can get our lotuses and collector's can keep their value.

Kinda a cool idea, but in reality, if it functions exactly like a card at tournaments (which I don't think Vintage is supported anyways), then the collectors will still lose some value in them. Granted, not a lot at this point. But some will get lost and there will be an outcry.

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Thrull Champion

Post subject: Re: Cards you most want to see reprinted

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:57 pm

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squinty_eyes wrote:

LilyStorm wrote:

They should make special proxies that are legal for vintage and casual matches. So now we can get our lotuses and collector's can keep their value.

I hope one day in my travels too meet a Hasbro CEO and convince him the mountains of money they could make by making a vintage reprint expansion. Complete with boxes. They don't even need to be modern legal. People would buy them in droves, and I am a collector.

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LilyStorm

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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:11 am

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squinty_eyes wrote:

LilyStorm wrote:

They should make special proxies that are legal for vintage and casual matches. So now we can get our lotuses and collector's can keep their value.

There are ways to make it work. Super limited print. Only selling once a year or something, giving it a different card back like the old world champion decks.

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tony3

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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:16 am

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purple shrimp wrote:

That's like saying Tarmogoyf is often a terrible card because opponents run disruption.

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Thrull Champion

Post subject: Re: Cards you most want to see reprinted

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:16 am

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LilyStorm wrote:

squinty_eyes wrote:

LilyStorm wrote:

They should make special proxies that are legal for vintage and casual matches. So now we can get our lotuses and collector's can keep their value.

There are ways to make it work. Super limited print. Only selling once a year or something, giving it a different card back like the old world champion decks.

They wouldn't be tournament legal then.

Also super short print? Remember Commander Arsonal?

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LilyStorm

Post subject: Re: Cards you most want to see reprinted

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:20 am

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Thrull Champion wrote:

LilyStorm wrote:

squinty_eyes wrote:

There are ways to make it work. Super limited print. Only selling once a year or something, giving it a different card back like the old world champion decks.

They wouldn't be tournament legal then.

Also super short print? Remember Commander Arsonal?

They would make an exception that makes them tournament legal which was my point. They make exceptions to rules all the time.

And no I dont remember that and my store never got any.

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purple shrimp

Post subject: Re: Cards you most want to see reprinted

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:21 am

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tony3 wrote:

purple shrimp wrote:

That's like saying Tarmogoyf is often a terrible card because opponents run disruption.

you should try playing legacy sometime, it's a fun format and you might like it

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miss_bun

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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:22 am

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Death and Taxes is a jerk, imo. Fun to play, though.

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tony3

Post subject: Re: Cards you most want to see reprinted

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:25 am

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purple shrimp wrote:

tony3 wrote:

purple shrimp wrote:

That's like saying Tarmogoyf is often a terrible card because opponents run disruption.

you should try playing legacy sometime, it's a fun format and you might like it

:^)

It's still pretty stupid logic to say...

A is terrible against B
A is therefore terrible against C D E and F.

That really just does not make any sense at all. Maybe FoW isn't as good against some decks as others, but that doesn't make it jank.

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purple shrimp

Post subject: Re: Cards you most want to see reprinted

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:34 am

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tony3 wrote:

purple shrimp wrote:

tony3 wrote:

That's like saying Tarmogoyf is often a terrible card because opponents run disruption.

you should try playing legacy sometime, it's a fun format and you might like it

:^)

I agree! it's lucky my logic was actually

A is terrible against B, C, D and E, which in the current metagame are a lot more popular than F through to Z, and is not that great against F through to M either (despite being excellent against N through to Z)
A is therefore frequently bad, especially with the relative unpopularity of N through to Z at the current time

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tony3

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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:37 am

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Unless Legacy suddenly became aggro weenie based and/or dredge, I find it hard to believe FoW is ineffective against the majority of the format.

Last I checked most of the decks win with splashy money cards.

Last I checked those splashy money cards were spells.

Last I checked FoW countered spells.

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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:40 am

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tony3 wrote:

Last I checked FoW countered spells.

I haven't checked in a while but I think you have the wrong card

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Thrull Champion

Post subject: Re: Cards you most want to see reprinted

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:42 am

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Ko wrote:

tony3 wrote:

Last I checked FoW countered spells.

I haven't checked in a while but I think you have the wrong card

Is Force of Will not Force of Will anymore?

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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:44 am

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Thrull Champion wrote:

Is Force of Will not Force of Will anymore?

can we know for certain

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force of will is ineffective against fair decks because you are putting yourself at card disadvantage to deal with one of their spells which plays into their gameplan

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purple shrimp

Post subject: Re: Cards you most want to see reprinted

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:46 am

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tony3 wrote:

Last I checked FoW countered spells.

any fair deck in legacy will be delighted if your best option is to spend two cards to deal with one of theirs. you'll run out faster than they do

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