I think you should try to combine at least two of those.

I didn't know Cathedral etb tapped! That's a whole new perspective on what decks can win vs. Inkmoth. I should read cards more often rather than just internally kinda know what they do and theorize.

Yeah, I did that math recently, because I think that deck is the only one discussed here that I don't beat 6-0. I do however 3-3, but only as long as it doesn't win before turn 7. If it won turn 8, I'd beat it.

I have no idea what Channex variants you're looking at, because just about all the ones I've seen or got in mind laugh off Desert. Channex/Channex/StorageLand and Channex/Storageland/Removal are top variants. There's also versions that DON'T try to hardcast the Channex and some of those are land-reliant as well (like Channex/Land/Chronomaton). All of these would be far more impacted by Wasteland than Desert.

Desert is a solid option because it foils Foil, but it's a loser against Channex.



Every time I look at Inkmoth decks it frustrates me - they seem bound to win on turn 6 but no sooner. With a third land booster like Pendelhaven or Blinkmoth I can get them to go 0-1-2-3-3-3 or 0-0-3-3-3-3 but either way it's a sixth turn kill, not a fifth.

Inkmoth can't win until turn 7 I think.

It attacks with 1 power on turn 2 at best.

Yes, and with a third card (Pendelhaven, Blinkmoth Nexus, another Cathedral of War, Teetering Peaks, Mutagenic Growth, any Mox, Lotus, or LED) it can get the win up to T6, but I've been trying (unsuccessfully) to find a way to speed it up one turn more. I can deal nine poison through T5, but not 10.

Yay, I found a 3CM deck wherein Inkmoth kills on T5. It's fragile and probably unplayable in a format with Wasteland, but it exists.

Like I said, depends on your wincon. 2xChannex storage land ties with Wasteland Lotus Threat, it beats Desert. 2X Channex Forge ties Desert, Wasteland loses.

Storage removal/Inkmoth are the only ones Wastleland has an "edge" but if your threat is removal resistant (or ignores removal), you don't care. Mayor makes a token before it can get pathed, Nemesis couldnt care less if you have Path and neither could Crusader. In these cases, Desert ties to Foil, so it's a better choice.

Finally we have Channex, 2xForge...which again doesn't really matter so you might as well sneak a few points from Foil.

As for the land reliant versions...why would the play a non-basic with Chrono in a format where Wasteland is legal?

So we look at all the other decks discussed here and guess what? Wastleland over Desert doesnt matter either because your deck is faster even with Cathedral on the board. So again...free points vs. Foil.

Got it, I think.

Cavern of Souls naming type Golem, to make your Chronomaton immune to Foil and opposing Channex.


Hello solved my T5 inkmoth kill riddle differently than me.

That's a good point. I did look at several Cavern decks...but Chrono in a Channex deck is already immune to Foil, because Channex counters foil.

I really want to run the Lotus, Cavern, Magus of the Disk and just take a hilarious string of ties...(mixed with many losses)

Unfortunately the Cavern doesn't help you much there because anything that might have countered the Magus will just counter the Lotus instead.

I'm gonna list all the fringe decks I can think of:

Storm World/Chancellor of the Forge/Undiscovered Paradise
Ghost Town/Sol Ring/Cursed Scroll
Sheltered Valley/Boros Garrison/Searing Meditation
Pendelhaven/Glistener Elf/Noble Hierarch
Pendelhaven/Virulent Sliver/Virulent Sliver
Black Lotus/Starke of Rath/Homeward Path
Unmask/Sickening Shoal/Chancellor of the Forge
Wasteland/Lion's Eye Diamond/Gibbering Descent
Black Lotus/Predator Ooze/The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
Black Lotus/Leonin Squire/Empty the Warrens
Black Lotus/Leonin Squire/Citadel Siege
Forest/Llanowar Mentor/Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
Black Lotus/Black Lotus/Primordial Hydra
Black Lotus/Anurid Scavenger/Council's Judgment
Forest/Eladamri's Vineyard/Omnath, Locus of Mana
Black Lotus/Smallpox/Nether Spirit

@classic, you named a deck with a banned card AND you named a bunch of things that channex and foil will hit HARD.

That's....quite a list. I discarded Storm World as an option, then I saw the Glitterfang deck, and now there's a second option. Cool!

I was trying to find a viable Omnath deck too, but it seems strictly worse than Primordial Hydra, even in a non-lotus round.

Still trying to get Nahiri and Ob Nixilis to work too ...they might have to wait until an alt round though, seems like they need a fourth card to be truly competitive.

There are a few other decks I'm toying around with that are competitive, but I don't have access to my list at work...

The storm world, ghost town, sheltered valley, gibbering descent, leonin squire, llanowar mentor, council's judgment, omnath, and smallpox decks all die to Channex. Many of them outright die to foil as well. Thus, those are all bad suggestions tbh.

The pendelhaven deck is worse than plain old Inkmoth + Inkmoth + Pendelhaven/Cathedral. And both are prone to me blocking your creatures. But I think the virulent slivers will be a good clock if I can't block them.

The ooze deck is illegal AND dies to both channex and foil. And.... inkmoths.

The reef worm deck loses to foil and inkmoths.

The rath deck loses hard to foil but does well vs other things.....

Thus, out of all those, I like the starke of rath deck and maybe the virulent sliver deck?

I think that post was less "these are things you might try this round" and more, "These are things that exist, should you need them in the future".

if decks that lose to channex are bad and shouldn't be played, why would anyone play channex?

True. Also, with the amount we've been discussing the vulnerabilities of Channex, Wasteland, and Foil we may have outright scared them off

Less likely this round, but the discussion may have directly led to the deck solidarity in the Moroii format.

If the same is true for this format and Wasteland decks fill the majority of slots...double lotus decks will place very well.

On the flip side, if Channex decks fill the majority slots...double lotus decks will do very poor.

Edit: Ah yes and Foil...Foil is a risky play mainly because it's such a narrow build. There are many Channex variants, not many Foil variants. Therefore Foil is easy to play around. It will steal 6's left and right and could win the round though because it's an underdog deck. But it gets weaker the more people who play it, I can't really decide if it's reasonable to even care if someone's playing Foil when building your deck.

^^ Foil's so easy to tie I just didn't bother caring. I'll tie all foil decks while still doing well enough against a lot of other things.