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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:25 pm 
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Only three at 27? Who got their figurings wrong?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:55 pm 
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Me? I'll double check as the spreadsheet gets filled out more.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:36 pm 
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Do people think anything needs to be banned for Mana Echoes? If you don't want to reveal your secret tech to the public, you can PM me. Of course, if you'd rather reveal your secret tech to the public than reveal it to me exclusively, you can just post here.

It seems like this might be a format that just has so many broken things that we don't need to ban anything, but there may be something super oppressive I haven't thought of yet. (I haven't thought very hard, to be honest.)

Banning Black Lotus would be interesting, but since the default is not banning it, I don't want to go against the expectations of the people who voted for this format.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:58 pm 
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I figured the whole point of Mana Echoes was to have ridiculous amounts of mana. See what people can do with 6-12 mana. Without winning T1, of course.

Emrakul, the Aeons Torn and Worldspine Wurm might be the only real problem cards?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:14 pm 
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Yeh, we just had a round where we had mad power available to us - we could hardcast red or colourless up to 10, 2 color up to7, and reanimate any creature without reshuffle clause. We survived that.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:15 pm 
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Lotus Lotus is 12 mana. If you are fine with that (basically plays like the last round) and turn 0 mana generation (albeit only in green and red) then there's not much else to say.

Through the Breach 3.0 here I come.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:45 pm 
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Spirit Guide into Manamorphose is 4 mana including 2 of other colors T0. :) You could be in position to throw down Venser, Shaper Savant on T0, if you were so inclined.

Lotus into Seething Song is 13 mana, in case 12 wasn't quite enough for you. :) Though the only card that costs 13 costs 12 after a Lotus is in the grave anyway.


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Emrakul, the Promised End seems like a really douche card on the play.

"Oh, look at all this mana you have! I can't let you make any significant use of this! Play Lotus, sac it, play other lotus, sac it, let your mana empty. You're stuck with your {insert card here} in hand now. :) "

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:13 am 
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New Round: Mana Echoes
Whenever colored mana is added to a player's mana pool, that player adds an equal amount of colorless mana to their mana pool.
Begins Friday, October 24th
Ends Wednesday, October 26th
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 3:07 am 
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thatmarkguy: I don't think you can win against me on the draw. I play my hand, Meddler does nothing, you Banish my Savants, and then Mutavault and the priest stare at each other. In fact, I think I win, since I can attack first, and you can't afford to trade.

Edit: sorry, I was looking at the wrong row. You marked it correctly. Early morning :(

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:13 pm 
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Edacade wrote:
Only three at 27? Who got their figurings wrong?

I guess it was me...I had you 6-0 vs both deck 4 and deck 9 but I can't figure out why I thought that.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:30 pm 
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So, is Mana Echoes round just gonna be another sea of 3s? It seems to me that barring some all-in T0 disruption play (which best as I can tell is unpredictable as to whether that would even work), the whole round is decks that can set up T1 lockdown situations (like last week's Iona), or decks that can set themselves up for a T2 win and can't be outraced because the opposing deck couldn't have been built to be able to win on T1.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 4:54 am 
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I'm pretty confident in my decks ability to snag 6s...but otherwise, I really don't see this as much different than any other high powered format like "Library of Land" or "WUBRG" and those rounds were fun.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:47 am 
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I have one note for the Conspiracy spreadsheet.

I think 1v9 should be 4-1. Deck 9 basically has to be as aggressive as possible, and here's the result of that.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:27 am 
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Looks like you're correct. I corrected my score.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:42 pm 
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I agree...the only discrepancy I see with my scores is 5v9. As I see it, it's 3-3. Golems obviously win on the play but on the draw, Savants can't be taken out without a double block which leaves 9 with mutavault, and Savants wins a damage race since Golems take two turns to come down:

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:10 am 
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One day left to submit Mana Echoes decks!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:23 am 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:47 am 
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Ah. Things that filter mana end up creating infinite mana this round. I hadn't thought of that. That's rather clever.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 1:51 am 
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For some reason I knew I should have gone with Blazing Specter but I really thought Tabbie would be enough :(

Edit: Actually, theres no change in score. Thought it would go 6 vs. Deck 1

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