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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:25 pm 
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We've had a round somewhat like that floating at the top of the polls for a few seasons now, it was called "Collector". Didn't have the landrule though (something I think we should do more), nor anti-mill tech.

Some cards that were mentioned in ban discussions: Surging Flame, Surging Sentinels, Extirpate, Surgical Extraction, Manamorphose...

Would definitely want to clarify if the loss-by-draw-from-an-empty-deck rule is in play (in most 3cm it isn't, but with a 60 card deck it makes sense to introduce, all players just need to know for sure if it is).


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:31 pm 
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I want to ban things that are unfair. Your list seems like a fair start, and to be honest I don't know enough to come up with a good list so I leave it up to Jim's best judgement. I just don't want something like Seismic Assault to be dominant, or other inherently unfair combo things that would ruin the fun.

The empty deck rule would apply to force a winner in cases where the board durdles out for 60 turns or someone finds a way to do a slow mill (more than 10 turns).

I specifically think Mishra's Workshop and Black Lotus specifically should be banned for other reasons. Edit: I guess I will add Energy Field too. The point is to try and force people to also interact with their opponent a bit, or at least have to consider something like 60 Lightning Helix. I think these three cards lend themselves to more non-interactive strategies than positive ones and need to be specifically planned for a bit too much. Not allowing them "theoretically" boosts creativity.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:07 pm 
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In a round that allows so much power you're going to have a really tough time forcing interaction, when there are just so many avenues for shutting down interaction.

Imagine a deck full of Time Walk. Or Orim's Chant. How much of a lockdown a first turn Meddling Mage would be when it kills 60 cards at once.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:14 pm 
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Meddling Mage can be destroyed. Orim's Chant does not prevent instants such as Lightning Bolt from being played in response to it. And "take an extra turn" effects would probably have to go on the ban list as well, similar to Surgical Extraction.

I am fully willing to admit a ban list would take a little bit of work for this one. But I am confident we could come up with something somewhat reasonable.

Edit: I still stand by no Energy Field, no Black Lotus, and no Mishra's Workshop.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:31 pm 
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I am so looking forward to this exhilarating alternate format that encourages so much interaction that Meddling Mage isn't even a blip on the radar. Oh boy. /sarcasm

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:23 am 
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Happy birthday, everyone! Have some prizes! :party:

Season 19 Awards
Consolation Prizes
Aaarrrgh (banned Nezumi Shortfang)
door (dooooooooooor) (rng banned Simian Spirit Guide)

Round Winners
Vanilla: POSValkir
Vanilla Redux: Aaarrrgh (submitted Conspiracy) and Edacade (submitted Community Effort)
One Card Open: mark777 (submitted But Wait, There's More)
Commander: Aaarrrgh
You may each submit a new alternate format to be added to next season's poll. (Repeat winners may suggest multiple formats.)

Grand Prizes!
1st place (due Thursday, 23:00 PST): thatmarkguy
2nd place (due Wednesday, 23:00 PST): POSValkir
3rd place (due Tuesday, 23:00 PST): Zlehtnoba
Each change awarded allows you to either add a card or remove a card from the vanilla banned list. First place gets three changes, second place gets two, and third place gets one.
Note: Cards that were banned at the beginning of the season cannot be unbanned.

Don't forget to submit before your deadline!

Your average match points for each round are summed together to generate your score.
Rank|Name|Total Score|Round 1|Round 2|Round 3|Round 4
1|thatmarkguy|14.64|4.00|3.43|2.38|4.83
2|POSValkir|14.30|5.50|3.43|3.38|2.00
3|Zlehtnoba|9.74|2.83|2.57|3.00|1.33
4|Aaarrrgh|9.21|0.50|3.71|0.00|5.00
5|Edacade|8.96|1.00|3.71|2.25|2.00
6|CommanderJim|8.95|4.00|2.57|2.38|0.00
7|Golgari_Spy|8.78|2.83|2.57|2.38|1.00
8|mark777|7.75|0.00|0.00|3.75|4.00
9|Hello World|3.00|0.00|0.00|3.00|0.00
10|Rubik|2.75|0.00|0.00|2.75|0.00
11|door (dooooooooooor)|1.71|0.00|1.71|0.00|0.00

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:53 am 
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Hey, it's my birthday! Unbelievable.

I'm not going to ban anything, I think we should open things up a bit. The metagame feels a bit stale. There's a whole new set coming, I hope it will help (looks like that Mark guy saw something :) ).

Hmmm. Opening things up. I changed my mind. Let's ban Meddling Mage.

I'm open to suggestions about this, from players with experience that can tell me why this might be a bad idea. Only problem is, I'm going away on vacation in a few hours, and will be gone till Saturday. So I may not be able to answer suggestions/change my mind today. But I should be able to look at the boards tomorrow.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:55 am 
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As for the collector round: Isn't Pack Rat busted in that format? Or the growing Rat? But then, with potentially infinte mana, a lot of things are.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:00 am 
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If a player were to win a season without winning any single round in that season, would that be a first?

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How about a player winning two rounds and still not making the top three?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:39 am 
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I must be off on my calculations. I though I was a solid 3.5 points ahead of second place going into the final round and there was no way I wouldn't get 1st unless a deck 6-0'd everything. Meh, guess I Casey at the Batted it...

I'm unbanning Black Lotus and City of Traitors.

Also, Happy Birthday Zlehtnoba...huh...I always thought that was an i not an l...oops.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 1:22 pm 
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Tortiose beats the hare. :)

With POSV taking the initiative on the fast mana it leaves me to patch up the silly things.

Ban Barren Glory
Ban Show and Tell
Ban Flash


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:25 pm 
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I totally forgot SaT and Glory were still legal :P, although I was curious about Flash's impact with Lotus. Was kinda hoping you'd unban Daze and ban Chrono

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:54 pm 
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Flash is basically used to play WorldSpine Wurm. It's effectively a faster Grave Titan.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 9:18 am 
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Zlehtnoba wrote:
As for the collector round: Isn't Pack Rat busted in that format? Or the growing Rat? But then, with potentially infinte mana, a lot of things are.

pack rat is nowhere close to broken, it's actually ridiculously fair


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 9:22 am 
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The format stands to be be broken in so many different ways that a pack rat deck is far more likely to be a contender for last place than a contender for first.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:00 am 
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i think it could beat up on the hate decks, but given the metagame tendency to just go broken there's likely to be no hate decks to try to feast on


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POSValkir wrote:
I must be off on my calculations. I though I was a solid 3.5 points ahead of second place going into the final round and there was no way I wouldn't get 1st unless a deck 6-0'd everything. Meh, guess I Casey at the Batted it...

I'm unbanning Black Lotus and City of Traitors.

Also, Happy Birthday Zlehtnoba...huh...I always thought that was an i not an l...oops.


No problem. That would be a Polish slant, and I'm Slovenian.

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