I think Kryder is wondering how well the GobOs know the CoC.

I will respond with a quote from my post:

"The overall issue, and this has been identified and hopefully will be corrected in in the next week or two, is the site needs more moderators to ENFORCE the CoC. Real Life Syndrome is a factor and does take its toll on response times. Everything, at this point, seems to be included in the CoC."


Et tu, Brute'?

I liked most of your post Keeper, but I feel like I have to touch on these two things slightly.

I became a mod after having several encounters with mods in my early internet years. Let's just say that 15-year-old me would get warned a lot by current me.
People can change when threated with something. How harsh that something has to be, differs from one person to the next.
But, again, we are not a site based on Duels alone. We can't use the environment there as foundation on the ruleset of the entire forum. The six strike rule was a sort of middle ground and after analyzing the warns people got, it was changed to four strikes because an issued day ban was enough for more than 90% of the warned people to change that behavior.
And we still have the option to immediately remove users. We just use it sparingly. And if that's justified or not is another discussion that, again, differs for each user.

I can sort of agree with that second sentiment myself. It is part of the reason I abandoned my out-of-uniform account when I became a mod here. I do think one's views should be the same whether they are in or out of uniform.
But because of my lack of involvement outside of Play-by-post and this thread I do not know how much this is still a thing.

I didn't say your opinions were or weren't valid. I said that discussing problems with a specific poster in a public place isn't going to solve the problem and will only result in you or other posters getting warned or punished. If you have problems with him and think he's destroying the community, make a case to the mods. Don't bring it in here.

Mission accomplished

I do not get the joke.

What joke would you be referring to?

I got that one.

It was not funny.

Edit: Rubik is probably making a post in the one above mine.

Ok can I just say that I literally only just realized that Kryder and Hakeem are different posters?

All this time I've been wondering why Hakeem was allowed to post from two different accounts. I only realized Kryder's number was one higher than Hakeem's because they started replying to each other's posts >_>

That's not relevant to anything I'm just really happy that I finally figured that out.

@Scarlet:

I think that's all fair...

I just feel like there's so much emphasis on the individual, and what the individual needs, that the impact of the individual on the community just keeps getting pushed to the outskirts of the conversation.


@Kryder who isn't Hakeem apparently:

I would agree that the problem is lack of action, given that the mods do have the ability to take these steps. I think more than lack of resources though we should be looking at the driving philosophy. I'm really only hammering away at this point because the attitude of Zammm in particular seems to be that this allowance given by the CoC shouldn't ever be taken.

But thank you for pointing out that specific provision, I didn't remember that we had that spelled out.



For what it's worth, I DO think that the history of the Flavor and Storyline board shows that accords between posters can be reached... but those were also pretty specific circumstances in an effectively unmoderated area.

I can, if people are interested, post the thread though where we can to an agreement about how we were going to treat problem subjects. Maybe it will be helpful. I'm still skeptical of how well this can work without intervention but I mean I did all that archiving work so that the history could be of use, might as well put it to that use.

No, really, not sure what the F you are talking about. Oh, well, probably doesn't matter.

On a different note, I've posted from multiple accounts before and there are totally no rules against it. I don't anymore.

Correct, as long as you are not banned.

Keeper,

I put that on there as a joke. Read my signature, which supposedly came from a permabanned user.

Also, who is Zammm?

@Keeper: As far as I can tell, most major problems with how NGA moderates are effectively localized to the Duels community. I don't think the system is broken, I think we just aren't allocating enough moderation resources to the Duels community.

And as for individual needs versus community needs, don't forget that the community is made of individuals. You can't be unfair just because you perceive the ends justifying the means. The moderation team normally strikes a pretty good balance between individual fairness and community health, as far as I can tell.

And all this time I thought Kryder was a woman. Avatared!



Agreed. And btw, what's good for the individual may not always = what's good for the overall health of the community.

GobO_Althalus

Okay so it seems that there is finally a realisation or summary of the soloutions. Apart from the one blip (not that I am necessarily seeing all threads) the boards have settled down but of course there is not a lot of activity of late. It does seem clear that intervention is best and timely but also I don't expect mods to jump at the first sign of problems.

I have found with latest incidents the ignore was useful but it's not perfect due to the quoting. But if folks would resist stoking or replying, and quoting to a post that may be brewing, handled with pms by mods, this may be less of an issue.

I know I personally have not use the report though at times I maybe could have, but in general I find its fine. There are certainly some personality clashes but as long as it's not leading to overt flagrant or even subtle contravention of CoC it should be good.

Just a nod to for all the work that does have to happen by the mods when things start going "Pete Tong". As has been pointed out they are voluntary and geographically dispersed (it's one nice sign that the forums are pretty well continentally represented (maybe apart from Africa and South America) but I can hope to be proved wrong for these areas .

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So this was interesting to me. Is there anything we can learn from the way they handle things?

I forgot we had a primer.

Does it work? or is it largely ignored?

I like this bit.